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    Kyle Lohse Article

    http://www.startribune.com/509/story/636598.html

    Every time Kyle Lohse pitches well for the Cincinnati Reds, there's more clamoring for the Twins to be called out for trading away someone who could be helping their playoff cause. Lohse's numbers admittedly do look nice: A 1.65 ERA in five games with 26 strikeouts and just six walks in 271/3 innings. And who knew he could have served Ron Gardenhire's piranhas as a pinch hitter?

    Those with short-term memory issues take note.

    Lohse beat the Twins in arbitration two years in a row despite going 9-13 in both 2004 and 2005.

    It was Lohse who pounded Gardenhire's door after being removed from a game late last year.

    Gardenhire tried to reach common ground with Lohse. The two played golf together during spring training this year, and everything seemed fine. But Lohse twice broke rules by not remaining in the dugout after being pulled from games, and his "Can somebody make a play?" comment in Detroit after Michael Cuddyer made a valiant diving effort but came up empty was flat out wrong.

    Leaving early, yelling at teammates, a 2-5 record and 7.07 ERA after a couple 9-13 seasons?

    Lohse had to go, even if he still has plenty of friends on the team. So now he's in the National League, the equivalent this year of the AHL, the ABA and the CFL.

    Lohse was traded to the Cincinnati Twins, er, Reds on July 31 for minor league pitcher Zach Ward. Honestly, Lohse should have been traded before the season, which the club considered at the time, or before the 2005 trade deadline, which the club also considered at the time.

    Heck, in classic hindsight, Lohse should have been dealt to Pittsburgh when the Twins were interested in Jason Schmidt before he was dealt to San Francisco in 2001.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse Article

    Not trying to make excuses for him, his pitching in MN this year was as bad as his attitude, but sometimes these sorts of issues are affected by a change of scenery. Sounds like a maturity problem and perhaps a different environment will help. I guess we'll find out when he struggles...
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    Re: Kyle Lohse Article

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    Not trying to make excuses for him, his pitching in MN this year was as bad as his attitude, but sometimes these sorts of issues are affected by a change of scenery. Sounds like a maturity problem and perhaps a different environment will help. I guess we'll find out when he struggles...
    Same could be said for Brandon Phillips with Cleveland - change of scenery and reality does wonders (sometimes).
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    So then the key is knowing when to sell high with these guys. The Indians and Twins both sold low to the Reds, and now they both look somewhat dumb, don't they?

    This is also why I've been floating the idea of trading David Ross in the offseason.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse Article

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc. Scott
    This is also why I've been floating the idea of trading David Ross in the offseason.
    Great idea, for the reason stated.

    My only caveat is that larue will likely only be with us for next season (unless we can trade him).

    We could likely use Ross and Valentin as a someone cheap alternative during the next 2-3 years.

    If we can find a taker in Larue, keep Ross, unless the market in Ross is huge.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse Article

    Just another writer trying to put a positive spin on a trade.

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    I like how he blames Lohse for "beating" the Twins in arbitration.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse Article

    i've said this before, Lohse has talent, but if he had the makeup of a guy like Paul Wilson he'd probably be scary good.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse Article

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    i've said this before, Lohse has talent, but if he had the makeup of a guy like Paul Wilson he'd probably be scary good.
    No doubt about it. A couple of questions, however:

    1) When did Lohse's makeup first become a concern?
    2) Did Paul Wilson develop his makeup before or after his arm troubles?

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    Re: Kyle Lohse Article

    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRedz
    No doubt about it. A couple of questions, however:

    1) When did Lohse's makeup first become a concern?
    i believe it has been since making it to the majors.

    2) Did Paul Wilson develop his makeup before or after his arm troubles?
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    Re: Kyle Lohse Article

    I'm actually unimpressed with Lohse's stuff. I always have been. Reminds me of Tomko's stuff--little movement and doesn't miss a ton of bats, for all of its velocity.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse Article

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc. Scott View Post
    So then the key is knowing when to sell high with these guys. The Indians and Twins both sold low to the Reds, and now they both look somewhat dumb, don't they?

    This is also why I've been floating the idea of trading David Ross in the offseason.

    Vin Scully tonight mentioned Valentin's new contract and LaRue's contract, then the fact that the suddenly productive Ross was arb eligible....

    could happen, you know.


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