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Thread: Off-Season, Off-Feild Focus

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    Re: Off-Season, Off-Feild Focus

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark
    Or maybe people that LISTEN??
    Come on now, let's not get ahead of ourselves...

    Let's get them to read first, then maybe they can listen.

    1 thing at a time!

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    Re: Off-Season, Off-Feild Focus

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21
    When will we start to see a mainstream sabermetric approach from all organizations in MLB? There still seems to be an old school vs. new school approach dividing ballclubs.

    Boston, IIRC, keeps Bill James on some sort of retainder as a consultant. Texas' new young pup GM, is a sabr guy. The GM up in Toronto is a sabr guy. Obviously Billy Beane is a sabr guy. DePodesta is a GM, without a head role with a team right now. Is it a GM style/perspective?

    As much as I hate to say this, technology might improve this ballclub, especially in terms of real time player evaluation/analysis. I like how you touched on pooling information, Cyclone. I'd take that one step farther and make sure that all eyes in our organization are looking at the same things at the same time, rather than information being limited due to time or availability. The software and hardware is out there. Rather than Wayne going down to evaluate our AA talent himself, probalby b/c our scouting department sucks and Wayne's aware of this, we could have more reliable means to our GM knowing what cards he has in his deck.
    A mainstream approach is still probably 10-20 years away, but it's catching steam. Most of the people involved in sabermetrics are no older than their 40s or so, and a lot of them are only in their 20s and 30s. More and more of the younger generation is sabermetrically savvy, and they'll eventually start to replace old school scouts by default due to age and retirements.

    I think people seem to get confused and automatically resort to sabermetrics and scouting as being "sabermetrics vs. scouting," but that's the wrong approach. The questions people love to ask revolve around "which is better, stats or scouts?" but again that's not really the correct question.

    The correct question is "what does an organization need in its front office to give itself the best chance of success?" IMO, that answer is the best of both sabermetrics and scouting.

    Pooling the resources is key, and the ideal situation is to mesh both exceptional statistical analysis with exceptional scouting analysis. Bill James has been noted as saying he's learned a truckload of baseball knowledge from Red Sox scouts, and on the flip side it wouldn't surprise me at all if some Red Sox scouts have learned a truckload of baseball knowledge from Bill James. The sharing of key knowledge from both statistics and scouting is a crucial philosophy, IMO.

    Bringing in outstanding sabermetric evaluators and scouting evaluators and then applying that same philosophy throughout the organization means your organization is probably going to have an advantage on everybody else ... until they follow your same pattern several years later.
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    Re: Off-Season, Off-Feild Focus

    Don't get me wrong. There are lots of things that should be upgraded.

    We're not rooting for a moribund franchise for no reason, and one thing that really jumps out at me is PR.

    They're got a radio announcer that is surly, hypercritical, and would rather blather on about useless trivia than call an actual game. The TV annoncers are no better. They continually build up the opposing team while giving little insight to the club that actually pays them. I'm not saying I'd like to see mindless homerism, but there is a balance to be had.

    When I visit other parks, I see big banners with star players prominently displayed, and highlights of each player are shown before almost every at bat.

    The new owners have addressed this a bit already, and thanks to Phil Castellini, we're seeing more games televised.

    I believe a GIGANTIC Public Relations blitz is in order, especially in places like Columbus.

    They need to stop focusing on the past. We all know about the Big Red Machine.

    It's time to focus on the players we're watching right now.

    The average fan shouldn't have to do homework to figure out that Adam Dunn is a super freak, the Reds should be yelling it from the rooftops.
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    Re: Off-Season, Off-Feild Focus

    spelling? ............. ^
    Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

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    Re: Off-Season, Off-Feild Focus

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    spelling? ............. ^
    I was asking what the Reds FO has to focus on, not what RZ posters should work on, thank you very much.
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: Off-Season, Off-Feild Focus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner
    I was asking what the Reds FO has to focus on, not what RZ posters should work on, thank you very much.
    That's good. B/C I really don't want to take typing classes.
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    Re: Off-Season, Off-Feild Focus

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    That's good. B/C I really don't want to take typing classes.
    And I can't afford to go to spelling school this late in life.
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: Off-Season, Off-Feild Focus

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark
    You still need a pair of eyes to evaluate ...
    Stats can certainly tell one a lot, a whole lot, about the "game behind the game." But "trained eyes" will always be a vital part of the scouting and coaching of the game as well, which is why a GM like WK does not just sit at his desk in GAPB, depending on the reports of others, but is spending the last 4 days in Chattanooga, TN.


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