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    Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    I like to look at comparisons with the rest of the NL. I think they show that the Reds are a better than average offensive team and a worse than average pitching team (for the NL). The offense is pretty good, but not good enough to compensate for the pitching.

    These are overall stats, and don't consider improvement/diminishment as the team has changed throughout the year.

    Offensively, the team is a high home run and walk team but deficient in getting base hits. Run production lags behind OPS/OBP. As of today, in the NL, they are:

    First in Walks

    First in Home Runs

    Second in OPS (.791)

    Tied for second in OBP (.342)

    Fifth in runs

    Eighth in hits

    Tied for 10th-12th in Batting Average (.263)

    Pitching wise, the team is improved over 2005. I don't have the 2005 numbers handy, but the team ERA (last two years) was over 5. Now the numbers are a bit better:

    11th in team ERA (4.67)

    11th in runs allowed

    15th (of 16) in OPS against (.804)

    First in homers allowed

    Third in fewest walks allowed

    Ninth in most strikeouts

    7th in saves (tied)

    I guess my conclusion is that the Reds have steadily had a good offense the last three years and still do. The offense would be even better with a few higher BA hitters. (Griffey and Dunn hitting around .250 with lots of at bats obviously pulls down the BA for the team.)

    But overall pitching is still the culprit. The Reds are competing this year because the pitching is finally in a "normal" range (as opposed to the horrendous numbers in 2004 and 05). But the pitching numbers at this point are still unsatisfactory. (Note that the OPS against is .804, worse than the offensive OPS of .791)

    To go a bit further, the following starting ERAs are -- in my view -- the single biggest problem. Mays (27 IP) - 7.33; Claussen (77 IP) - 6.19; Michalak (21 IP) - 5.56; Ramirez (104 IP) - 5.37; Milton (141 IP) - 5.16.

    So, with all the frustration over the offense and bullpen, it looks to me that getting two good new starting pitchers next year would dramatically upgrade this team.
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    I must say if I was reading this thread this year, I would not have guessed it to be August 30th. Never in my right mind did I expect this club to be chasing playoffs.

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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    The question that may be more appropriate is "How are they still a .500 team?"

    Maybe the proverbial iceberg in the water (pythag record) has made it's first contact with the USS Narron.
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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    The question that may be more appropriate is "How are they still a .500 team?"

    Maybe the proverbial iceberg in the water (pythag record) has made it's first contact with the USS Narron.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LincolnparkRed View Post
    Who fills the Decaprio and Winslett rolls in your scenario??
    These two:
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    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    These two:

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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    I think are large negative run differential is pretty telling. We don't score enough for our pitching. Seems to me it's all about clutch hitting. Yes, we can hit HRs, but can we hit them when it counts. Well, I say not often enough. 2-12 last night is a perfect example. 1 run in a basis loaded no out situation. The only reason we are still in it is that the parity in the NL. I love it, but most years we'd be 10-15 game out with this record. That being said we still have a shot at the playoffs and in a short series anything is possible. Go Reds
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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    Because the picthing isn't very good, the defense is poor, the offense is inconsistent and the manager is enamored with double switch-itis.
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    This is the group that they were partying with before they left for America. I hope the Screen Actors Guild has the name "Farney" available.
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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    First in Walks

    First in Home Runs

    Second in OPS (.791)

    Tied for second in OBP (.342)

    Fifth in runs
    I don't understand this either. With good team speed we should score more than our OPS projects, not less.

    Some possible culprits:

    Batting order -- The importance of batting order is usually overrated but it does have some effect. Jr.'s an out machine in the three hole, Dunn's walks are wasted batting fifth. You want Hatteburg's OB skills are great at number 2 but he's awfully slow.

    Playin' Baseball -- You want to be careful about overusing every trick in your bag (see, Boone, Bob) but sometimes you just need to thump some life into your team. Last night's game screamed for some micromanaging. Start a runner, double steal, drag bunt, something to jump start the offense when the big hits aren't coming.

    Strikeouts -- At the risk of getting a stern BP-style smackdown, it wouldn't hurt to make the other side's defense work a little more. And while I'm at it...

    Batting Average -- The Angels won with it. A high-BA line-drive, all-fields hitter could probably get this team over the Runs Scored hump. A guy like Sean Casey (gulp).

    Then again, maybe our being 5th is a statistical anomoly. In other words, bad luck.
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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    I don't understand this either. With good team speed we should score more than our OPS projects, not less.

    Some possible culprits:

    Batting order -- The importance of batting order is usually overrated but it does have some effect. Jr.'s an out machine in the three hole, Dunn's walks are wasted batting fifth. You want Hatteburg's OB skills are great at number 2 but he's awfully slow.

    Playin' Baseball -- You want to be careful about overusing every trick in your bag (see, Boone, Bob) but sometimes you just need to thump some life into your team. Last night's game screamed for some micromanaging. Start a runner, double steal, drag bunt, something to jump start the offense when the big hits aren't coming.


    Strikeouts -- At the risk of getting a stern BP-style smackdown, it wouldn't hurt to make the other side's defense work a little more. And while I'm at it...

    Batting Average -- The Angels won with it. A high-BA line-drive, all-fields hitter could probably get this team over the Runs Scored hump. A guy like Sean Casey (gulp).

    Then again, maybe our being 5th is a statistical anomoly. In other words, bad luck.
    Great post. But it's not a statistical anomoly. The offense has deficiencies.

    Focusing on the offense, the Reds perform terribly on the road. They are 9th in the NL in runs while away. 8th in OPS. 9th in OBP. 15th in BA.

    What's interesting is that, if you focus only on road games, the Reds' offense seems to be more of a problem than pitching. The Road ERA is 4.33, fourth in the NL.

    Obviously, the Reds' home run/walks combo doesn't translate on the road. Reds are only 4th in NL in homers on the road.

    So in bigger parks, where it is more important to string together hits, the Reds are less successful. In GABP, where home runs rule, they do much better.

    Reds obviously need some better all around hitters -- or at least some guys who hit better on the road. The current formula is failing in half the games.

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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Great post. But it's not a statistical anomoly. The offense has deficiencies.

    Focusing on the offense, the Reds perform terribly on the road. They are 9th in the NL in runs while away. 8th in OPS. 9th in OBP. 15th in BA.

    What's interesting is that, if you focus only on road games, the Reds' offense seems to be more of a problem than pitching. The Road ERA is 4.33, fourth in the NL.

    Obviously, the Reds' home run/walks combo doesn't translate on the road. Reds are only 4th in NL in homers on the road.

    So in bigger parks, where it is more important to string together hits, the Reds are less successful. In GABP, where home runs rule, they do much better.

    Reds obviously need some better all around hitters -- or at least some guys who hit better on the road. The current formula is failing in half the games.

    Good stuff. I actually discussed this with my pop at the Giant's game. Our conjecture, after watching 2 runs scored in 3 games, was that the fences looked closer than the werer. Pacbell and Dodger Stadium don't play at all like the GAB -- swinging for the fences is not a good idea.

    We also noted that hitters parks teams lose and pitcher's parks teams win.
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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    I don't understand this either. With good team speed we should score more than our OPS projects, not less.

    Some possible culprits:

    Batting order -- The importance of batting order is usually overrated but it does have some effect. Jr.'s an out machine in the three hole, Dunn's walks are wasted batting fifth. You want Hatteburg's OB skills are great at number 2 but he's awfully slow.

    Playin' Baseball -- You want to be careful about overusing every trick in your bag (see, Boone, Bob) but sometimes you just need to thump some life into your team. Last night's game screamed for some micromanaging. Start a runner, double steal, drag bunt, something to jump start the offense when the big hits aren't coming.

    Strikeouts -- At the risk of getting a stern BP-style smackdown, it wouldn't hurt to make the other side's defense work a little more. And while I'm at it...

    Batting Average -- The Angels won with it. A high-BA line-drive, all-fields hitter could probably get this team over the Runs Scored hump. A guy like Sean Casey (gulp).

    Then again, maybe our being 5th is a statistical anomoly. In other words, bad luck.
    Maybe OPS isn't a mortal lock to score runs. If you do not hit with RISP, then you're not going to score many runs. Call it what you want...luck, an anomoly, etc. Runs crossing the plate count on the scoreboard, OPS doesn't.

    Jr: .217
    Dunn: .235

    There are the 2 big guns in the lineup with RISP.

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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Maybe OPS isn't a mortal lock to score runs. If you do not hit with RISP, then you're not going to score many runs. Call it what you want...luck, an anomoly, etc. Runs crossing the plate count on the scoreboard, OPS doesn't.

    Jr: .217
    Dunn: .235

    There are the 2 big guns in the lineup with RISP.
    FWIW, Dunn leads the team in RISP RBI with 57. Probably because he slugs .593 in those situations. He's got the second most RISP at-bats. Only Ross and Encarnacion have a better ratio of RBI per at-bat with RISP.
    Last edited by BRM; 08-31-2006 at 09:28 AM.

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    Re: Why are the Reds only a .500 team?

    Lots of offensive hot streaks, and lots of offensive cold streaks. This team is not consistent offensively and it seems like the cold streaks run rampant like a virus through the majority of the lineup. As good as the offense can be at times, I still think the overall makeup lacks something. With the pitching staff, and the real lack of a "shutdown" type arm, the slumps are magnified. Will be interesting to see what Wayne does in the off-season.
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