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    GABP Changes

    Should the Reds explore changing the nature or construction of GABP to cut down on home runs?

    Is it neccesarlly a bad thing to be a "home run park" if fans love to see the long ball?

    Will being a "bandbox" require us to have a pitching staff of all aces to ever be successfull?

    Would any good pitcher in their right mind want to pitch in GABP?

    Is it the stadium or poor pitching that is causing all of these home runs?

    I guess that's a lot of questions but it's a complex subject beyond the knee-jerk responce of "raise the walls!" anytime a homer flys out. I'm not advocating that we change anything, just thought it was an interesting topic for discussion.
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    Re: GABP Changes

    leave GABP alone
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    Re: GABP Changes

    The only thing they should change is that horrible looking CF restraunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith288 View Post
    The only thing they should change is that horrible looking CF restraunt.
    I'll second that.

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    Re: GABP Changes

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    I'll second that.
    What does it look like? I can't say I noticed.

    Does it look like a Frisch's?

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    Re: GABP Changes

    Quote Originally Posted by smith288 View Post
    The only thing they should change is that horrible looking CF restraunt.
    Is that what's in the batters eye, a resturant? I did not know that.

    But yes, I agree the batters eye building is horrible. I think the rest of the stadium looks fantastic but then you get to that thing. Looks like they ran out of money in the design budget and just stole a building from highschool ballfield and stuck it in there.
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    Re: GABP Changes

    If people want the Reds to consider altering GABP, the first question that should come to mind is: how much would it cost?

    The answer to that question is probably far too much than it's worth. You can't move the plate back without serious structural changes because the foul lines in the corners run very close to the walls. Additionally, the premium Diamond Seating is already close enough to the plate as it is, and you know those won't be torn out.

    If you want to move the fences back, think of how serious the structural changes would have to be given that the seating areas run right up behind the wall in many areas. In center field there are no seating areas, but the Batter's Eye Pavillion runs very close to the center field wall itself.

    It's just next to impossible without some major structural changes that would be far more expensive than they'd be worth. I think GABP is going to be staying as it is for quite awhile.

    BTW, I thought the Batter's Eye Pavillion was a sort of banquet hall for large groups, but I've never been inside so I could be mistaken.
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    I wish that the new ownership was on hand when the stadium was being designed and built. I think it would have been a much better designed and thought out stadium. I like the stadium but was VERY disappointed in it, nothing special about it IMO.
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    fyi... There are aready plans to paint and improve gabp and the batter eye
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    Quote Originally Posted by It8ifyifitsgrif View Post
    fyi... There are aready plans to paint and improve gabp and the batter eye
    care to elaborate if you can?

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    Re: GABP Changes

    They should put up netting about 40 feet above all the walls so there are no HR's, we'd have double machines.


    In reality, I think some wall heightening in RF wouldn't cost too much, or they could put up a chain link fence above the RF wall ala Baker Bowl (i think it was there). Although that would be hurendous to look through. So I guess there aren't many options.

    How about this one...close "The Gap." They already put in the Frontgate Party deck. Put in another one on top to kill the major jet stream out of there.

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    Re: GABP Changes

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    They should put up netting about 40 feet above all the walls so there are no HR's, we'd have double machines.


    In reality, I think some wall heightening in RF wouldn't cost too much, or they could put up a chain link fence above the RF wall ala Baker Bowl (i think it was there). Although that would be hurendous to look through. So I guess there aren't many options.

    How about this one...close "The Gap." They already put in the Frontgate Party deck. Put in another one on top to kill the major jet stream out of there.

    I think Baker Bowl had a huge wall made out of aluminum or tin.

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    Re: GABP Changes

    The best thing they could do to GABP is tear it down. Reminds me of Victory Field. Kinda plastic looking. But, I know this isn't the point of the thread.

    As has been mentioned there is very little that can be done without decreasing seating capacity. Although that may never be an issue on non-giveaway nights. I think the biggest change is having a guy in the GM's chair, given a full off season, trade in his fly ball pitchers for ground ball pitchers. Oh, and then find some guys who can field it when it's hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    I think Baker Bowl had a huge wall made out of aluminum or tin.

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    Baker Bowl, hemed in by railroad tracks, and the first steel and concrete stadium.



    The first year of LA found them facing what Alston called "The Chinese Wall"


    Alston said when he first saw the field he thought that all of Ebbetts could sit on the grass and not touch the stands.



    Crosley Field was a pure pitchers park until the 40's, and ten years later it was a hitters park all around thanks to The Goat Run the Reds often had trouble drawing when they didn't win, they had no sexy offense the 1956 season cemented in the eyes of the owners that offense sells in Cincinnati better then pitching and thus, that is where we are today.

    As in some other stadiums, the data on field dimensions at Crosley Field are a little suspect. The original field dimensions were supposedly 360 feet down both the left and right field lines, but given the latter dimensions as shown above (which were pretty much established by 1938), that would only be possible if home plate had been subsequently moved about 30 feet toward the left side, which would have left an extremely unequal foul territory. In fact, home plate WAS moved considerably more than once, in 1927 and in 1938, but this was mostly in a forward direction. These changes reduced the distance to center field from 420 feet to 387 feet, the shortest in the majors other than Ebbets Field in its last decade.
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    Re: GABP Changes

    The park doesn't need to be changed.

    Does anyone think the Yankees wouldn't win 90-100 games year-in and year-out in GABP?

    The Mets, Cardinals, Dodgers, Yankees, Tigers and A's would all still be winning their divisions if they were playing in GABP.

    What we need to do is increase our number of talented players. Plain and simple. Changing the park would just change our run differential to the difference between two high numbers to the difference between two lower numbers.


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