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    Pitching coach may be the problem

    I know, Tom Hume is the fill in....but could that have anything to do with the bullpen problems?

    Or is it the bullpen coach?



    Rick White - stinks here, been pretty good in Philly.

    Dave Williams - stunk here, Mets seemed to have straightened him out

    Rheal Cormier - had the lowest ERA of relievers in the NL, and did well in Philly....not so much here.

    Majewski - ok...he's been hurt, but he was better in DC than here.

    etc.
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    Am I stretching here?

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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    It might well be the position (or positions) that's the problem. We aren't privy to whether Hume is being able to implement his own philosophy. We don't know whether the bullpen misses what he had out there prior to moving to the dugout. The "what ifs" go on and on.

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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    Just the randomness of BABIP and variances in HR rate as much as anything.

    Guardado was good after coming over, so were Lohse and SS.
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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    Williams spent time on the DL with the Mets.
    I think it was because of a shoulder injury.

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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    Cormier was incredibly hit lucky before coming over, which is why he had a crazy low ERA to begin with.

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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    I don't know if I would put all of that on Tommy's shoulders. He's done a pretty good job. Although, I will say there is a missing piece.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark View Post
    I don't know if I would put all of that on Tommy's shoulders. He's done a pretty good job. Although, I will say there is a missing piece.
    A manager would be a good start.
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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    A manager would be a good start.
    Ad infinitum. There will be no change in manager during the offseason. There is no need for a change in manager in the offseason. For nearly 30 years we've turned over managers as often as George Steinbrenner in his hayday. We have a descent manager who is quite capable, despite the rantings on RedsZone, to move this team forward. We need stability in this area. That's why the extensions were given.

    Regarding the subject at hand, we need something additional in the pitching coach area. Whether it is making Tom Hume the fulltime guy, bringing back Vern Ruhle (if completely healthy) and returning Humie to the bullpen, perhaps a new bullpen coach.

    But's it's not getting a new manager.

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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    Ad infinitum. There will be no change in manager during the offseason. There is no need for a change in manager in the offseason. For nearly 30 years we've turned over managers as often as George Steinbrenner in his hayday. We have a descent manager who is quite capable, despite the rantings on RedsZone, to move this team forward. We need stability in this area. That's why the extensions were given.

    Regarding the subject at hand, we need something additional in the pitching coach area. Whether it is making Tom Hume the fulltime guy, bringing back Vern Ruhle (if completely healthy) and returning Humie to the bullpen, perhaps a new bullpen coach.

    But's it's not getting a new manager.
    I disagree strongly. I think they need to fire them all and bring in their own guys. Jerry Narron is terrible.
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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    What about GABP and how many HRs have been hit there? SUrely that can't help some pitchers.

    On the flip side, what about Kyle Lohse, Eric Milton and Bronson Arroyo. All are doing better this year in Cincinnati than before. Does Hume get credit for that?
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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    What about GABP and how many HRs have been hit there? SUrely that can't help some pitchers.

    On the flip side, what about Kyle Lohse, Eric Milton and Bronson Arroyo. All are doing better this year in Cincinnati than before. Does Hume get credit for that?

    He also can take the credit for the other 20 or 25 that have stunk.
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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    He also can take the credit for the other 20 or 25 that have stunk.
    I disagree. Some of them weren't with the Reds long enough to be helped.
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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    It's amazing that people even bother going on about the possibility of firing Jerry Narron. The guy got a contract extension and he's liked by the general manager. He has about as much chance of going away as... something that isn't going away.

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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    I'm still pulling for Vern Ruhle to take back the reins in '07. I think Vern could make the pitching staff better.
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    Re: Pitching coach may be the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    What about GABP and how many HRs have been hit there? SUrely that can't help some pitchers.

    On the flip side, what about Kyle Lohse, Eric Milton and Bronson Arroyo. All are doing better this year in Cincinnati than before. Does Hume get credit for that?

    No, he gets no credit, he only gets flogged for guys that improve after they leave.

    I've heard a lot of pitchers in the past say great things about Hume as a bullpen coach. Perhaps since he's doing double duty this year, and the Reds have had about 100 pitchers pass through the roster this year, he simply can't help everyone? Not to mention that a lot of guys probably aren't receptive to a coach's advice either, and a coach can't be expected to help everyone.
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