Explain if you want.
Made.
Born.
Explain if you want.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Mentally tough.
"Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill
Of the choices, I say born without a doubt.
How many times do you see a top setup guy with top notch stuff fail as a closer?
You have to have a certain mentality to pitch the 9th inning, and it isn't something that is taught.
"Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill
Never made.
Closers are natural born killers.
Made from failed starters.
The instincts and mentality of a good closer is something that you have to be born with. The ability to pitch is something you make and develop, so I say it's a little bit of both.
Made, usually from guys with a tough mentality and two plus pitches.
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Of course you have to have the stuff, but without out the killer instinct and ability to walk into a pressure packed situation and take charge you aren't going to be worth a crap as a closer. So I voted for Born.
a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.
I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate
Overpaid.
I heard your record..it's alright.
This season really showed me the importance of a closer.
I thought they were overrated, but now I'm not so sure.
"Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill
This team didn't need a closer per se, it needed for its relievers not to be atrocious.
Even with the Cubs' bullpen, as middle of the road as it was, the Reds are probably in a tie for first right now.
I think they are made. Some guys are born with the talent, but others (Shaw, Brantley) were able to be made into one.
And they can be unmade as well (Wohlers, Graves). I really think the physical talent is more important than the mental part. If a guy has the talent, it's easy to get the attitude/confidence. If he doesn't have the talent (Franklin), all the attitude in the world isn't going to nail down the save.
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