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    Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    Manto is the Pirates hitting coach for those who may not know.

    For starters, Manto is no fan of on-base percentage, partly because he believes its emphasis on walks does not take into account that a base-on-balls is not always a desired or productive result.

    While dismissing runs created, Manto offered his own statistical category: "runs produced" -- measured by adding runs and RBI, subtracting home runs from that total and dividing that number by games played.

    "It's as important as on-base percentage," Manto said, "because it is a tremendous evaluator of who is a total offensive player."

    Adhering to Manto's formula, it should also come as no surprise that Bay (1.12) and Sanchez (1.07) rank as the Pirates' top total offensive players.

    "Those two guys excel at scoring runs and knocking them in," Manto said.

    Bay's 57 extra-base hits and Sanchez's 54 were most among Pirates prior to last night.

    "Somehow, some way, you have to get to second base," said Manto. "That's why, to me, on-base percentage doesn't mean a lot for an individual player ... I mean, it's great to get on base, but does the player get to second or beyond and score runs? If not, what good is him just getting on base?"
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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    Now we know why the Pirates lead the league in all those offensive categories.
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    BRILLIANT!
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    If the guy in front of me "only" managed to get to first and we really needed him on second, what could I do that would move him up without risking a GDP, giving up and out, or involve swinging the bat? Certainly there's something? Think, darnit, think!

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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    Just for fun, the Pirates are next to last in the NL in runs scored. They are tied for 7th in batting average, next to last in OBP, and last in slugging.

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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    The Pittsburgh Pirates: A dumb organization that just revealed themselves to be dumber than previously thought.

    First Dusty Baker and the Cubs, now Manto and the Pirates. The NL Central has some sure-fire revolutionaries.
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    I like his line of thinking in a "perfect world" scenario. Discounting OBP or OPS for that matter is purely insane.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Manto is no fan of on-base percentage, partly because he believes its emphasis on walks does not take into account that a base-on-balls is not always a desired or productive result.

    I'm not being facetious: help the dumb understand what this means, please. Whatever he's saying there cannot be explained in that one sentence.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    At least we now know BadFundamentals real name.

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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    Manto is no fan of on-base percentage, partly because he believes its emphasis on walks does not take into account that a base-on-balls is not always a desired or productive result.

    I'm not being facetious: help the dumb understand what this means, please. Whatever he's saying there cannot be explained in that one sentence.
    I think he's trying to say that walks are not always due to the skill of the batter's eye, but rather the ineptness of the pitcher.

    He has a point, albeit a tiny sliver of wisdom buried under a mountain of idiocy.

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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post
    I think he's trying to say that walks are not always due to the skill of the batter's eye, but rather the ineptness of the pitcher.
    If that's what he's saying, he still hasn't said why that sequence of events would be "undesireable."
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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    If that's what he's saying, he still hasn't said why that sequence of events would be "undesireable."
    Yeah jmcclain, what you're saying is true, but it doesn't quite fit the quote. The way it is stated makes it sound like it's focusing on the choice the batter makes.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    The way it is stated makes it sound like it's focusing on the choice the batter makes.
    That's certainly how it reads to me. He's saying that sometimes a walk is undesirable and/or unproductive.

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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    Yeah jmcclain, what you're saying is true, but it doesn't quite fit the quote. The way it is stated makes it sound like it's focusing on the choice the batter makes.
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    Re: Jeff Manto: Super Genius

    Some might say Jeff needs to wake up and know the difference between the old days and modern days.

    Code:
    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    1990 Indians      25   30    76   12   17   5   1   2   2.63   14   21   18    0   1  .224  .395  .392  .786 
    1991 Indians      26   47   128   15   27   7   0   2   1.56   13   14   22    2   0  .211  .313  .306  .619 
    1993 Phillies     28    8    18    0    1   0   0   0   0.00    0    0    3    0   0  .056  .056  .105  .161 
    1995 Orioles      30   89   254   31   65   9   0  17   6.69   38   24   69    0   3  .256  .492  .325  .817 
    1996 Mariners     31   21    54    7   10   3   0   1   1.85    4    9   12    0   1  .185  .296  .302  .598 
         Red Sox      31   22    48    8   10   3   1   2   4.17    6    8   12    0   0  .208  .438  .333  .771 
         TOTALS            43   102   15   20   6   1   3   2.94   10   17   24    0   1  .196  .363  .317  .679 
    1997 Indians      32   16    30    3    8   3   0   2   6.67    7    1   10    0   0  .267  .567  .290  .857 
    1998 Indians      33   15    37    8    8   1   0   2   5.41    6    2   10    0   1  .216  .405  .256  .662 
         Tigers       33   16    30    6    8   2   0   1   3.33    3    3   11    1   0  .267  .433  .353  .786 
         TOTALS            31    67   14   16   3   0   3   4.48    9    5   21    1   1  .239  .418  .301  .719 
    1999 Indians      34   12    25    5    5   0   0   1   4.00    2   11   11    0   0  .200  .320  .444  .764 
         Yankees      34    6     8    0    1   0   0   0   0.00    0    2    4    0   0  .125  .125  .300  .425 
         TOTALS            18    33    5    6   0   0   1   3.03    2   13   15    0   0  .182  .273  .413  .686 
    2000 Rockies      35    7     5    2    4   2   0   1  20.00    4    2    0    0   0  .800 1.800  .857 2.657 
         TOTALS           289   713   97  164  35   2  31   4.35   97   97  182    3   6  .230  .415  .329  .744 
         LG AVERAGE             738  105  198  37   4  22   2.99  100   77  128   14   7  .269  .421  .340  .761 
         POS AVERAGE            741  105  199  38   3  25   3.35  104   84  133    6   5  .268  .429  .345  .774


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