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    The Rotation next year

    Who is next years 5th starter in an overachieving rotation?

    A few ideas I had
    Elizardo-had a decent stretch this year, but got hurt, and he isn't consistant
    Claussen-injury from this year may cost him-possibly back to pen
    Kim-I hope not!
    Michalek-too old-I think he had only one good big league game in him
    Jason Johnson-See above about Kim!
    Milton/Lohse-do we go after a big name pitcher which would push one of these guys down
    Homer-possibly at the end of season-but not opening day

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    Re: The Rotation next year

    Here's an idea I like: bring in a new guy, another #3-4 type, and push Milty and Lohse down to #4-5 slots. Heck, if you've got $$ to throw around, bring in a #1.

    Homer starts off year in AAA. If Lohse falters (and I think he is the leading candidate to do so), bring Homer up in May/June. Move Lohse to relief.

    I think Lohse would be an excellent closer; he's got live stuff, throws hard, and has a nasty type attitude. He wants to be a starter; I understand that and would give him every opportunity to do so. Bt if he can't make it as a starter, then go with him in the bullpen.

    That way you don't have to count on Homer right out of the gate.

    Who's the free agent pitcher? IDK, you tell me!

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    Re: The Rotation next year

    I agree (and have changed my mind on this recently). The price for Zito/Schmidt is likely to be crazy and not worth it. I'd go for a reasonable deal for Gil Meche or Vicente Padilla and open with Harang, Arroyo, FA, Milton, Lohse with Homer in Louisville.
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    Re: The Rotation next year

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    Who's the free agent pitcher? IDK, you tell me!
    Tomo Ohka gets my vote.
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    Re: The Rotation next year

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    Tomo Ohka gets my vote.
    I'd like that; plus he's a Reds killer and we wouldn't have to deal with him next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I agree (and have changed my mind on this recently). The price for Zito/Schmidt is likely to be crazy and not worth it. I'd go for a reasonable deal for Gil Meche or Vicente Padilla and open with Harang, Arroyo, FA, Milton, Lohse with Homer in Louisville.
    That is a very good idea. Going after Schmidt is dumb considering he's on the wrong side of 30 and his velocity is going down. I'd consider a Dunn for Bonderman plus a prospect or two deal that Krusty mentioned in another thread. That could push Lohse (His performance in a Red's uniform combined with his stuff and age automatically puts him in the rotation for next year) and Milton to the 4/5 slots with Bonderman being the #3. That gives a rotation of:

    Harang
    Arroyo
    Bonderman
    Lohse
    Milton

    That looks like a solid rotation to me. I'm in the crowd that says that this team does not need an ace to have success. Harang, Arroyo, and Bonderman can combine to be our "ace."
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    Re: The Rotation next year

    Who are your 1-4 in this example?

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    Re: The Rotation next year

    I dont think that we want to start Homer's arbitration clock next year when we could run out EZ again. I really think that we could win with a rotation of :
    1. Harang
    2. Arroyo
    3. Loshe
    4. Homer
    5. Milton
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    Re: The Rotation next year

    Homer dominated AA this year. Unless he has a horrible spring he's earned the right to be in the rotation next year. I'm in the camp that thinks Milton's pitched well but if you could trade him to a pitcher's park we could spend the 9 mil better in other spots.

    1. Harang
    2. Arroyo
    3. Lohse
    4. FA addition/Trade (I like the Padilla idea)
    5. Homer

    I'm putting Homer at 5 because it gives us the options to skip some starts and limit his innings to whatever the number is supposed to be for someone his age.

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    Re: The Rotation next year

    Arroyo
    Harang
    Free Agent
    Lohse
    Milton

    We could do worse than that. I think that they definitely need to go after an established closer since Eddie is out all next year.

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    Re: The Rotation next year

    Ohka would be the most reasonable FA choice. I don't have stats in front of me, but he seems like a heavy groundball pitcher when he's on.
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    Re: The Rotation next year

    Reds should take a look at Ted Lilly
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    Re: The Rotation next year

    Arroyo and Harang are givens. Those two take the top two spots.

    I really think the Reds are going to make a run for a very good FA pitcher. I haven't taken a close look at possibilities, but I see them signing one guy who can make something of an impact.

    Given his track record with Krivsky in Minnesota, I think you'll see Lohse back to start the year in '07 as well. I think there's a very good chance he tosses an ERA up around 4.00 over a full season in the NL and could even do better given his stuff and age.

    The last spot is interesting. I think the Reds will make another run at trying to deal Milton this offseason to get rid of that final year of the deal. If they are successful, I think you'll see them sign another vet to start in the fifth spot. In either instance, I'd say you'll see Milton for the new vet start until around the end of June/early July and then be moved to the bullpen or dealt to turn the spot over to Homer Bailey. This lets you get a free half year or so out of Bailey as far as arbitration goes while also giving him some time against AAA hitters.

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    Re: The Rotation next year

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    Reds should take a look at Ted Lilly
    I'm in total agreement on that one. Decent strikeout rate from a lefty works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    Reds should take a look at Ted Lilly
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