Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 18

Thread: Why did Berry not send EdE?

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Mount Sterling, KY
    Posts
    342

    Why did Berry not send EdE?

    The Reds escaped last night...and at the end of the day that's all that really matters. But, what did you all do when EdE did not tag on the fly ball hit by Hollandsworth with the bases loaded and one out? I could not believe that the Reds didn't challenge Cameron's arm and, at least, attempt to tie the game in that situation. I was just wondering everyone's reaction. I was furious...and maybe EdE didn't get a good jump or slipped on his initial reaction...but if that's not the case Berry needs to have his head examined. Sorry if this was already talked about...I missed it if so.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member SultanOfSwing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Charleston, WV
    Posts
    329

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    I did not watch the game or see the replay, but the The Cincinnati Post had this quote:

    "Encarnacion had failed to tag up at third base on a sinking liner to center field with the bases loaded in the sixth inning and the Reds had come up empty"
    So I guess it wasn't MB's fault at all.

  4. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Mount Sterling, KY
    Posts
    342

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by isaiahbarney View Post
    I did not watch the game or see the replay, but the The Cincinnati Post had this quote:



    So I guess it wasn't MB's fault at all.

    Thanks for that...the angle from the replay didn't really show anything...it just looked like EdE stopped about 1/3 of the way down the line.

  5. #4
    Firin Away Jr's Boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    1,750

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    I was wondering the same thing.I listened to the game and Marty sounded shocked that Berry didn't send him.I guess Berry does'nt understand the importance of this time in the season.You send that runner ''come hell or highwater'' with so much on the line.IIRC this isn't the first time this year he has cost the Reds a run(s) with his coaching.

  6. #5
    Yay!
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Middletown, Ohio
    Posts
    7,428

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jr's Boy View Post
    I was wondering the same thing.I listened to the game and Marty sounded shocked that Berry didn't send him.I guess Berry does'nt understand the importance of this time in the season.You send that runner ''come hell or highwater'' with so much on the line.IIRC this isn't the first time this year he has cost the Reds a run(s) with his coaching.
    Only problem is... it didn't cost them a run. It could have, but BP took care of that with his FC.
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

  7. #6
    Firin Away Jr's Boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    1,750

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    Only problem is... it didn't cost them a run. It could have, but BP took care of that with his FC.

    My point is you got to take chances now,especially with only one out.Like I said before playing it safe gets you no where.

  8. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Location
    LAS VEGAS
    Posts
    572

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    I watched it and it appeared EdE went down the line in case it fell in and was in no position to tag up.GO CINCY!!!!

  9. #8
    Redsmetz redsmetz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Winton Place
    Posts
    11,160

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDJAKE View Post
    I watched it and it appeared EdE went down the line in case it fell in and was in no position to tag up.GO CINCY!!!!
    That may well come down to coaching. I know when I coached my son's team, I'd be telling runners to get back to tag up. It's one thing to be on second and do that (and even that's questionable), but if it falls in and you're on third, you trot in. If it's caught, you go like the dickens.

    It's these small things that frustrate me about the Reds and I'm hoping Narron addresses this, even though it ultimately didn't cost us the run. When you're struggling to score with runners in scoring position, you've got to make the right plays when they present themselves.

    Knock on both EE and Berry here. Wake up, guys!

  10. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Mount Sterling, KY
    Posts
    342

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    The Reds won and that's all that matters...but BP's RBI groundout would have been the go ahead run had EdE scored on the Hollandsworth flyout. Valentin struck out and left the bases loaded after he failed to tag on that ball. BP's groundout came 2 innings later.

  11. #10
    Yay!
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Middletown, Ohio
    Posts
    7,428

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jr's Boy View Post
    My point is you got to take chances now,especially with only one out.Like I said before playing it safe gets you no where.
    You play it much safer with zero outs than with one. The odds of scoring a runner from 3b with one out are still very good... and it worked out that way.

    That said, the evidence that is mounting is that is wasn't Berry's fault anyway.
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

  12. #11
    Member durl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Nashvull
    Posts
    1,749

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    The Cincy Enquirer website says that Berry sent EE, but EE stopped on his own.

  13. #12
    nothing more than a fan Always Red's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Cincy West
    Posts
    5,017

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDJAKE View Post
    I watched it and it appeared EdE went down the line in case it fell in and was in no position to tag up.GO CINCY!!!!
    I saw it too, and I thought that he tagged, put his head down and took three sprinting steps and then stopped without looking up and went back.

    I kind of assumed at that point that Berry had called him back, especially since he did not look up at all, but the replay did not show Berry in the frame at all, only EE.

  14. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    4,068

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    He went right when it was caught then stopped. Honestly, how would he know that would be cut at 2nd, and he would have been dead to rights if it wasn't. Third, it was so shallow, the SS could have cut it and still thrown him out maybe.

    Good think is, he made up for it with aggressive running by stealing 3rd, then scoring on the FC later in the game.

  15. #14
    For a Level Playing Field RedFanAlways1966's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Oakwood, OH
    Posts
    11,725

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    Just my opinion...

    How far was the ball behind 2nd-base when caught by a hard-charging Cameron? Not that great of a distance. Takes a 1/2-way decent throw to nail Edwin. Not a great throw, not a perfect throw... 1/2-way decent.

    It was pointed out in the Old Red Guard game thread (a topic that was discussed for a few pages) that Cameron does not have a strong arm. Still... it was not a long throw by any means. A decent throw from a not-so-strong arm and Edwin is out by 10-feet IMO. Do ya chance it and take the bat out of the next hitter's hands (who got out anyway... in hindsight)?

    Also pointed out in the ORG game thread was the fact that Cameron did not throw home (threw to 2nd-base). I do not believe he was conceding the run, but thought he had Dunn doubled off at 2nd. Which also shows how close Cameron was to the infield when he caught the liner... Dunn was only a few steps off and darn near got doubled off to end the inning.

    It was a tough decision. But rest assured... if Edwin gets nailed by 10-feet, then there are threads started here that point out the lunancy of him trying to score on it! Just the nature of the game and the beast.

    BTW... Edwin was tagging all the way. He was not down the line and out of position as mentioned above.
    Small market fan... always hoping, but never expecting.

  16. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    534

    Re: Why did Berry not send EdE?

    I was at the game. He tagged up, started down the line, and stopped.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25