Lohse Looked Like Frank Pastore tonight

[redsupport]

the aging Pastore:

[redsmetz]

the aging Pastore:

Yeah he wasn't pretty tonight.

[mth123]

We need to be careful evaluating a guy the first time around the league. Tonight was the first time he had pitched against a team the second time. I think Lohse is a legit major league starter if only because there aren't enough to go around. The real question is how much to pay to keep him. I think low ball with incentives is the right answer or let him walk.

[RollyInRaleigh]

Frank had neck problems, late in his career, from watching all those shots flying into the outfield.

[oneupper]

. I think Lohse is a legit major league starter if only because there aren't enough to go around. The real question is how much to pay to keep him. I think low ball with incentives is the right answer or let him walk.

With his ERA zooming after last night, Lohse just got a lot cheaper for the 2007 REDS.

[Unassisted]

Since he got zero run support, it was an opportune time to find out his shortcomings. It's not like he cost the Reds this game.

[redsmetz]

With his ERA zooming after last night, Lohse just got a lot cheaper for the 2007 REDS.

I thought this exact same thing just now.

[flyer85]

Yeah he wasn't pretty tonight.

and yet Jerry sent him back out for the 3rd, I figured it was obvious to everyone by that point that he didn't have it.

[Heath]

Frank had neck problems, late in his career, from watching all those shots flying into the outfield.

Frank in the offseason was an air-traffic controller.

That was a joke, ok?

[redsfan4445]

his fastball was staying flat and he didnt have much dip in his slider.. he has pitched better than this and noway does he remind me of Pastore....just a bad outing at the wrong time.. i still feel he is a Red in 2007 as #4 starter as the Reds get a better pitcher in the off season for the rotation.. I am hoping Bedard is their target!

[REDREAD]

We need to be careful evaluating a guy the first time around the league. Tonight was the first time he had pitched against a team the second time. I think Lohse is a legit major league starter if only because there aren't enough to go around. The real question is how much to pay to keep him. I think low ball with incentives is the right answer or let him walk.

I'm not sure lowballing him is an option. Isn't Boras his agent? I believe that is true. He made just shy of 4 million this year. The average arbitration raise (at least a few years ago) was 900k. I think we have to expect to probably give him a raise between 500-900k, just because of his seniority if we want to bring him back.

I bet Boras will drive a hard deal, even though Lohse has had a dissappointing season (when the Twins stats are included). As scarce as pitching is, Lohse might get more if he's a nontendered free agent than he would from arb, therefore I don't see Boras cutting the Reds any kind of deal.

[mth123]

I'm not sure lowballing him is an option. Isn't Boras his agent? I believe that is true. He made just shy of 4 million this year. The average arbitration raise (at least a few years ago) was 900k. I think we have to expect to probably give him a raise between 500-900k, just because of his seniority if we want to bring him back.

I bet Boras will drive a hard deal, even though Lohse has had a dissappointing season (when the Twins stats are included). As scarce as pitching is, Lohse might get more if he's a nontendered free agent than he would from arb, therefore I don't see Boras cutting the Reds any kind of deal.

I would try to sign him to about $3.3 to $3.5 Guaranteed with incentives to get him to $5.5 or $6. He won't make $5.5 to $6 on the market and if he hits the incentives he'll be worth it. If he doesn't agree to that by the Arb deadline then non-tender and find some one else to give the same deal to.

[Falls City Beer]

I'll be upset if the Reds bring him back for anything more than middle reliever dollars.

[mth123]

I'll be upset if the Reds bring him back for anything more than middle reliever dollars.

I'm kind of on that page, but they can't really cut him to less than 80% of this year's pay can they? I don't know how this rule applies exactly.

[Will M]

1. Lohse or Milton , not both.

Harang
Arroyo
???
Lohse or Milton
EZ or Bailey

Find a guy ( via trade or free agency ) that can pitch 220 innings with an ERA under 4, then the Reds will have a solid rotation

2. comapre that to:

Harang
Arroyo
Lohse
Milton
EZ or Bailey

A Reds team with this rotation better be a LOT better offensively

- Will