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    Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Seriously,

    Whatever we can get for Griffey, get it, and split his salary with someone. Dunn just needs to go. He is a huge liability in the outfield and shows no willingness to learn how to hit the ball to the opposite field.

    Adam's comment about why bother with batting practice really irked me. Maybe you could learn how to bunt .

    Could the reds get at least a starting pitcher and an everyday outfielder for the two of them?

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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    You must get one important thing first IIRC... Junior's permission. 10-5 rights.

    Trade the two HR leaders on the team? Okay. Small-ball must be trendy again. I wonder how much Aaron, Bonds, Ruth, Mays, Killebrew, Schmidt and Jackson worked on their bunting skills?
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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Unfortunately I think that this whole team needs to be restructured to play a little more small ball next year with some improved pitching. Waiting for the big inning just isn't working with these guys. They strike out way too much.

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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by Go_Cats_Go! View Post
    Unfortunately I think that this whole team needs to be restructured to play a little more small ball next year with some improved pitching. Waiting for the big inning just isn't working with these guys. They strike out way too much.

    And here we go....


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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by paintmered View Post
    And here we go....


    I think this one is good for at least, 12 pages.
    Well, you DO have the power to stop it.

    All I have to say is Griffey's a dye-in-the-wool Republican - and Click - WHOOSH- to the Peanut Gallery it goes!
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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Yes. that's the ticket, small ball in the MLB's most HR friendly park.

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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Yes. that's the ticket, small ball in the MLB's most HR friendly park.
    Funny how people miss the obvious, isn't it?

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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by gilpdawg View Post
    Funny how people miss the obvious, isn't it?
    Actually, a 20 HR hitter, who plays defense and runs the bases well can become a 25-28 HR player at GABP. That is decent power. Add in the small-ball abilities of the player and alltogether you have a very potent player, and team, if the players have these qualities. The player who hits moonshots will not see as big a difference in HR production at GABP. When he hits them they're out wherever they are. So GABP can help a Twins-like gameplan more than a Boston-type one because the Twinsian team would have added power in addition to their regular offensive weapons and the Bostonian team would be playing the same game.
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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse View Post
    Actually, a 20 HR hitter, who plays defense and runs the bases well can become a 25-28 HR player at GABP. That is decent power. Add in the small-ball abilities of the player and alltogether you have a very potent player, and team, if the players have these qualities. The player who hits moonshots will not see as big a difference in HR production at GABP. When he hits them they're out wherever they are. So GABP can help a Twins-like gameplan more than a Boston-type one because the Twinsian team would have added power in addition to their regular offensive weapons and the Bostonian team would be playing the same game.
    So what you're saying is we need more Juan Castro's and Royce Clayton's?
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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader View Post
    So what you're saying is we need more Juan Castro's and Royce Clayton's?
    2 more Castros and half a Clayton.

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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Here are the issues this team has:

    3 catchers...one making 5 mil next year that has been awful this year.

    An over-achieving veteran 1B with poor footwork around the bag.

    Our best infielder playing 2B

    An over-achieving veteran at SS with minus range

    A rookie 3B that is still learning the position day to day...turning into a star though.

    A poor LF'er, but when he is on, this team flourishes, when he is off they sink. Live by the Dunn, die by the Dunn.

    An old CF'er with no range that refuses to move (so we think) positions. Also he is the #3 hitter on the team, despite his .315 obp (9th on the team) and a .479 slg % (5th on the team). Also a massive contract with 10-5 rights.

    RF is actually solid if Freel is there.

    We have two good starting pitchers, the rest are up in the air. One guy is making around 8-9 mil next year to post a 5.00 era. There are also many other issues.

    Either way, there are a lot of things to fix before dumping Dunn. Griffey on the other hand is fine with me if you can. Dunn is a guy to build around, even though he slips every once in a while. He has won many games for this team this year.

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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    RF is actually solid if Freel is there.
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    I agreed with you until this point. RF is a major weakness. Freel disappeared in August and Sept. Now that he's a full time player, teams are taking the time to scout him. They've obviously found a weakness in him, because his offense has totally disappeared. Freel at leadoff in Sept and Aug really dragged this team down. A couple good catches does not make up for that.

    At bare minimum, Wayne needs to pick up an OF to share RF with Freel.
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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    At bare minimum, Wayne needs to pick up an OF to share RF with Freel.
    I've noticed that people aren't too impressed with "Chuck" Norris Hopper.

    IIRC, He hit pretty well in AAA and has some speed.

    (I'll fully admit I'm being 100% lazy here for not doing my own research) What the line on him? Is their a flaw about him or some short comming that is causing most to seem ho-hum about him?
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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    I've noticed that people aren't too impressed with "Chuck" Norris Hopper.

    IIRC, He hit pretty well in AAA and has some speed.
    no walks, no power(none whatsoever). Completely worthless an offensive player. To have any value as an OF he would have to hit al least .350(not).
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    Re: Time to unload Griffey and Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo Cabesa View Post
    no walks, no power(none whatsoever). Completely worthless an offensive player. To have any value as an OF he would have to hit al least .350(not).
    He's Juan Pierre without the steals.
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