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    Goldman on the Reds

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    What they've already gotten from rookies: It's surprising in that while most young teams with big turnarounds get major contributions from rookies, that has been anything but the case with the Reds. Second baseman Brandon Phillips only seems like a rookie, as the Indians really did try to make him their second baseman three years ago. Control specialist Elizardo Ramirez quickly controlled his way out of a rotation job, while the only rookie reliever to get significant innings is Bill Bray, who hasn't done much since coming over in the dreadful deal with the Nationals before the deadline.
    Latecomers: Nothing of note. Guys like Brendan Harris and Chris Denorfia might get some pinch-hitting opportunities, but both look more like Quadruple-A hitters at this point. Many of the marginal arms have already pitched some junk innings, meaning 29 players have taken the mound for the Reds this year. This is not a good minor-league system at all. Only Homer Bailey could help, and he's not coming.
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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    I hope he didn't stay up to much past his bedtime to type out that little gem.

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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    I hope he didn't stay up to much past his bedtime to type out that little gem.
    no kidding, he got the very first sentence wrong:

    It's surprising in that while most young teams with big turnarounds get major contributions from rookies, that has been anything but the case with the Reds.
    The Reds are not a young team; if anything, they're an old team. There are only 5 teams with an older average age in MLB.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rosters

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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    The Reds are not a young team; if anything, they're an old team. There are only 5 teams with an older average age in MLB.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rosters
    In all fairness to this stupid dude, that does surprise me. Quite a bit, actually.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    That number is inflated by the bench/bullpen guys, however. The only major contributors to the lineup that are 35 or older are Aurilia, Hatteburg and Griffey. Guys like Castro, Hollandsworth, Cormier, Weathers, Merker, Michalak, P. Wilson, Clayton inflate that stat. I mean Hatteburg is only a solution for another year but Aurilia can probably contribute for 2 or 3 more years. Griffey will be here as long as his contract last unless we sign him to a smaller deal until he retires.

    The fact that he didn't mention Votto or Bruce as possible contributors baffles me, however. This farm system has some decent options in the mid-lower minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsandrails View Post
    The fact that he didn't mention Votto or Bruce as possible contributors baffles me, however. This farm system has some decent options in the mid-lower minors.
    The article wasn't about the overall farm system, it was specifically focused on what teams have received or could receive from rookies THIS season.
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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    In all fairness to this stupid dude, that does surprise me. Quite a bit, actually.
    Hey now... you are supposed to take things at FACE VALUE here at RZ. No stats needed to back things up here at RZ.

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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    The guy is right......this team's farm system is awful from Double A (with the exception of what? Homer and maybe 1-2 others) up......as it has been since Marge decided scouts just sit around and do nothing....and it was all downhill from there.

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    The Reds offense is top loaded. Bailey and Votto are good, with fairly big ceilings.

    I remember people debated whether they would like a system with a couple of studs or one that has depth............I remember alot of people wanted the studs.................

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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    I forgot about Votto.

    The farm system is being attended better than what? Since before marge....but it is still going to take another 2 good drafts to really get rolling again.

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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    Marge sold the Reds 7 years ago; they've had 7 years since then to draft.

    Obviously, the crew that came in after Marge did not upgrade the scouting or minor league coaching very much, either. Or have just drafted very poorly. Which means the scouting is very bad, still. Or, they have drafted well, but have a problem coaching these guys up.

    There's a problem somewhere, still. It's probably not still Marge Schott's fault, although it was, "in the beginning".

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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Or have just drafted very poorly.
    Jeremy "HEAR ME: I will not sign b/c I am going to Vandy" Sowers. #1 pick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    Jeremy "HEAR ME: I will not sign b/c I am going to Vandy" Sowers. #1 pick!
    That, my friend, would be Exhibit A!

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    Re: Goldman on the Reds

    Speaking of Elizardo, I thought he was coming back.
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