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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure that Theo is calling the shots in Boston. And if he is, I'm not sure he called the Coco Crisp shot.
    I am. I'm not sure about some of the others, but that one didn't happen until after he came back officially. If he didn't have the power to make decisions at that exact moment, he's never had any power at all.
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    I'm not a big fan of Crisp, myself.

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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    If you want a CF who can go out and put up a .750 OPS in the AL (translates to lower in the NL), why not just play Denorfia and be done with it? Deno would play better defense and profiles to a very similar to player to Crisp offensively. Only catch is, we wouldn't have to trade anybody to get him.
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    If you want a CF who can go out and put up a .750 OPS in the AL (translates to lower in the NL), why not just play Denorfia and be done with it? Deno would play better defense and profiles to a very similar to player to Crisp. Only, we wouldn't have to trade anybody to get him.
    I'm starting to come around to that way of thinking. I think this team needs offense and I'm not sure Deno gives enough. I also think that there are too many question marks so I'd rather know what I'm going to get. Certain ok seems better than a potential for Castro level production. My biggest problem with Deno is that he has always been old for his league before putting up good stats. I fear a AAAA type who won't hit in the bigs. Seeing him play makes me even more concerened. I would rather have Deno than Roberts, Pierre, Lofton or any of the no power types. But If there is a guy who we can be reasonably cetain will hit 15 to 20 HR and slug .450 I think this team needs that. If I thought Deno could do that I would be ok with it. Crisp slugged .446 in 2004 and .465 in 2005. 2006 is not normal because of the nagging injuries. Deno didn't slug that much until age 24 in A+ ball or 25 in AA and AAA.

    I don't agree that there would be a fall off in the NL. The NL is weaker right now and GABP is a good place to hit.

    You guys are talking me into it on Deno though. He isn't my last choice. I just want more pop to go with the defense. Convince me of that and I'm sold.

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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure that Theo is calling the shots in Boston. And if he is, I'm not sure he called the Coco Crisp shot.

    Crisp is absolutely not a leadoff hitter. Maybe if you have a crystal ball you can say he'll be worth that contract next year, but he's done nothing in his career (even 2005) to suggest to me that he's worth it.
    Crisp was an .800 OPS player at ages 24 and 25 (2005 VORP of 30.2 playing LF). He's slumped this year (and I think it's been pretty clear how much that hand has been bothering him all season). Yet his base stealing efficiency has been on a steady improve the last two seasons and he plays solid defense.

    So he's got a well-rounded game and it's a fairly safe assumption that as he enters what should be his prime that he should exceed that .800 OPS level he reached in his mid-20s. Would I be interested in a .825-.875 OPS CF with some tools? Uh, yeah, I'd like that quite a bit.
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    How about...

    Coco, Shields and Kendrick to the Reds

    Dunn to the Bosox

    Manny (and Freel?) to the Angels
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    Just as a point of information, Crisp signed a LTC with the Sox in April he'll be paid salaries of $3.5 million in 2007, $4.75 million in 2008 and $5.75 million in 2009. The deal contains an $8 million team option for 2010 with a $500,000 buyout.

    My two cents on that are you'd be hard-pressed to find a capable, experienced everyday OF for less.
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    How about...

    Coco, Shields and Kendrick to the Reds

    Dunn to the Bosox

    Manny (and Freel?) to the Angels
    Hell, go hog wild.

    Manny and Crisp for Jr. and Milton
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Hell, go hog wild.

    Manny and Crisp for Jr. and Milton
    Then we have two awful fielders (manny and Dunn) and one good one in the outfield.

    *But I would love to see Manny in Cincy. I'd rather have Big Papi but beggars can't be choosers
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    Quote Originally Posted by degenerate10 View Post
    Then we have two awful fielders (manny and Dunn) and one good one in the outfield.
    Dunn would move to 1B.
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    And move Hatteberg to LF?!?!? Now that's just asinine. Our defense is bad enough without guys playing their 5th or 6th best position.
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    And move Hatteberg to LF?!?!? Now that's just asinine. Our defense is bad enough without guys playing their 5th or 6th best position.
    As a cagey vet, I figured Hatteberg would play SS.
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    Re: Coco Crisp in CF in 2007?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    As a cagey vet, I figured Hatteberg would play SS.
    Well, his VORP would definately go up, and he is scrappy.
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