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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    I posted this in tonight's game thread, but it belongs here too ...

    Krivsky regarding Bailey, Bruce and Votto on tonight's broadcast in the FSN booth ...
    • The "most logical choice" for Homer Bailey starting 2007 is in AAA Louisville.
    • Jay Bruce is in instructional league and will likely start 2007 in High-A Sarasota.
    • Joey Votto is at a level between AAA Louisville and the Reds.

    My translation of the above based off hearing Krivsky say these things on the broadcast is as such ...
    • Bailey likely starts 2007 in Louisville with an unspecified chance to reach the Reds during the season.
    • Votto will probably start 2007 in Louisville, but has a great chance to reach the Reds during the season.
    • Bruce will start 2007 in High-A and further progress up the ladder in 2007 will be based off his performance throughout the season.

    The comments are vague to a degree obviously, but based off what I heard, I can't say I disagree with anything Krivsky said regarding Bailey, Bruce and Votto and where they'll be during 2007.

    One thing I do worry about with Votto next season is Narron "EE'ing Votto," and what I mean by that is Votto being called up just to sit on the bench while Hatteberg or somebody else continually starts at first base. If Votto is called up, the Reds better be ready to hand him the position, otherwise I'd much rather see him playing regularly for Louisville next season instead of sitting on our bench and not getting in-game reps.

    Also interesting to note is that in the discussion of Homer Bailey with Grande and Welsh, Krivsky made the comment that he believes AAA is very important for prospects coming up through the system and that he strongly favors players making a stop in AAA rather than bringing them straight up from AA to the big league club.
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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    One thing I do worry about with Votto next season is Narron "EE'ing Votto," and what I mean by that is Votto being called up just to sit on the bench while Hatteberg or somebody else continually starts at first base. If Votto is called up, the Reds better be ready to hand him the position, otherwise I'd much rather see him playing regularly for Louisville next season instead of sitting on our bench and not getting in-game reps.

    Also interesting to note is that in the discussion of Homer Bailey with Grande and Welsh, Krivsky made the comment that he believes AAA is very important for prospects coming up through the system and that he strongly favors players making a stop in AAA rather than bringing them straight up from AA to the big league club.
    I agree on Votto, and I also agree with Krivsky on Bailey doing some time at AAA. Many of those guys have been to the majors, and can work a count. Also being teammates with some of those guys who are busting their ass to just get a cup of coffee may go a ways toward reigning in any cockiness that the young stud may have.
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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    Cyclone, I took something completely different out of what he said about Bailey. It sounded like he was very much not saying Bailey is going to be given every shot in ST to make the Reds. Unless I missed it, he never said anything about Bailey specifically being in Louisville like he did with Votto or with Sarasota and Bruce.
    He mentioned he thinks AAA is important to development, but never committed to saying Homer was going to see Louisville like he did commit to the other players and where they would be.

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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Cyclone, I took something completely different out of what he said about Bailey. It sounded like he was very much not saying Bailey is going to be given every shot in ST to make the Reds. Unless I missed it, he never said anything about Bailey specifically being in Louisville like he did with Votto or with Sarasota and Bruce.
    He mentioned he thinks AAA is important to development, but never committed to saying Homer was going to see Louisville like he did commit to the other players and where they would be.
    I read that the other way around, he said that Bailey must spend some time in AAA and Votto "was almost here" or like Cyclone said: between Louisville and Cincy. Krivsky was a major part why Liriano spent the 2005 minor league season in AAA, though most people thought he was ready.

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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    All this love for Jay has forced me to make him my new avatar. Just another feather in his cap.

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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    I posted this in tonight's game thread, but it belongs here too ...

    Krivsky regarding Bailey, Bruce and Votto on tonight's broadcast in the FSN booth ...
    [list][*]Jay Bruce is in instructional league and will likely start 2007 in High-A Sarasota.
    Given the harshness of the Florida State League on most hitters, I think Sarasota will be quite the test for Bruce next season. (Of course, when his numbers drop off a tad, we'll hear a lot of talk about his prospect status being in question, and chances are it won't be accurate.)

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    Anyone else disappointed that Bruce isn't being more fast tracked? I am thinking that the Reds will need him to be ready for a full-time role in 2009 and maybe permanent spot on the roster in mid-2008.

    I was kind of hoping he would skip A+. He's not a pitcher. Hopefully he finishes 2007 in AA and gets a Sept call-up to the Reds.

    As for Bailey and Votto, I agree completely on Bailey and really don't think he should break 2007 spring training on the 25 Man roster. I'd like to see Votto push Hat to the bench in 2007, hopefully right from the start. The Reds really need his extra base power and he would look good hitting 6th behind Griffey in 2007. I also think Hat is the kind of guy who could really help the team with a good at bat in a key spot off the bench.

    I share Cyclone's concern about Votto getting "EE'd."

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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    My hope is Jay Bruce forces the Reds hand by looking great in the Spring and thus starts the 2007 minor league season in Chattanooga. The Reds really need him to progress and reach the majors sometime in 2008 and become a full-time starter in 2009/

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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    Jay has said that one of his goals this offseason is to get ready and make AA out of Spring Training, so it seems like its something he has in his mind that he wants to do. Time will tell.

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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis View Post
    I read that the other way around, he said that Bailey must spend some time in AAA and Votto "was almost here" or like Cyclone said: between Louisville and Cincy. Krivsky was a major part why Liriano spent the 2005 minor league season in AAA, though most people thought he was ready.
    I like the idea of Bailey going to AAA for a while -- I dislike the idea of him being in AAA for any extended period of time. If he is going to be there, I'd hope that it's for no more than 2-3 months to refine his game before going up to the next level.

    The point of a AAA stop is to get proficient at retiring the types of hitters -- 'tweeners and get-away-day specialists -- who have major-league skill sets, but who good pitchers don't allow to beat them and reach base to set the table for the actual threats in lineups. The stop at AAA should only come when the management feels Bailey is ready for the bigs. It's not a spot to work on getting his 3rd pitch down, but rather, it's a spot for him to take a working 3rd pitch and get practice throwing it at different times in the count to hitters that can do something with it.

    My hope for Bailey would be a good spring training, a month or two of starts at Chattanooga, a month or two of starts at Louisville, and then the Reds roster for the stretch run in June or July.
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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    I agree 100% CE. The question is, what will the 2007 rotation look like?
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    Milton, will he be healthy?
    Lohse?
    Ramirez?
    Claussen?
    I think a lot of what will happen with Bailey has a lot to do with the above guys and the offseason.

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    Re: BA Minor League All-Star Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    I like the idea of Bailey going to AAA for a while -- I dislike the idea of him being in AAA for any extended period of time. If he is going to be there, I'd hope that it's for no more than 2-3 months to refine his game before going up to the next level.

    The point of a AAA stop is to get proficient at retiring the types of hitters -- 'tweeners and get-away-day specialists -- who have major-league skill sets, but who good pitchers don't allow to beat them and reach base to set the table for the actual threats in lineups. The stop at AAA should only come when the management feels Bailey is ready for the bigs. It's not a spot to work on getting his 3rd pitch down, but rather, it's a spot for him to take a working 3rd pitch and get practice throwing it at different times in the count to hitters that can do something with it.

    My hope for Bailey would be a good spring training, a month or two of starts at Chattanooga, a month or two of starts at Louisville, and then the Reds roster for the stretch run in June or July.
    I would agree with that timeline for Bailey, but if the other options to start the year on the big squad are Lohse, EZ and others, I'd rather see Homer up in Cincy. There might not be a stretch run if Kyle is the #3. Of course, it all depends on what takes place in the off-season and in ST.


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