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    Re: For the Dunn lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    So if we keep Dunn how do we improve the team?
    Spend money on free agents? I don't know how much Bob is willing to spend though.

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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Doesn't anyone understand that you don't trade someone when his value is at it's lowest?

    Doesn't anyone pay attention this game anymore?
    In key offensive indicators, Dunn has been going in the wrong direction at an age when you generally see players improving. If this trend continues, come this time next year he'll be going into the last year of his contract (at 13+million) -- one year older, one year from FA, one year deeper into a declining trend. In other words, his trade value will be lower, perhaps significantly so. There is risk in keeping Dunn, and risk in trading him. At the least, the Reds need to be exploring the market for him.
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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Trading Adam Dunn would be beyond stupid.
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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Trading Adam Dunn would be beyond stupid.
    No more stupid than your comment.

    This team has alot of problems. Namely, overpaying for very little production and poor defense. Junior and Dunn are outfield liabilities and when they're not producing, what's the point of paying them $20-$30 million? There are many other options that are either cheaper or comparable that will produce better. Heck, I'd even pay a little more just to actually get some PRODUCTION.

    Keeping Dunn and Junior mean that there is no money to spend on Free Agency. It means we have no trading chips to improve the club. It means this team will be exactly the same next season with most likely the same result or worse.
    Who's on first?

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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    No more stupid than your comment.

    This team has alot of problems. Namely, overpaying for very little production and poor defense. Junior and Dunn are outfield liabilities and when they're not producing, what's the point of paying them $20-$30 million? There are many other options that are either cheaper or comparable that will produce better. Heck, I'd even pay a little more just to actually get some PRODUCTION.

    Keeping Dunn and Junior mean that there is no money to spend on Free Agency. It means we have no trading chips to improve the club. It means this team will be exactly the same next season with most likely the same result or worse.
    Who are you going to get for 10 million to replace Dunn's production?
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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    In key offensive indicators, Dunn has been going in the wrong direction at an age when you generally see players improving. If this trend continues, come this time next year he'll be going into the last year of his contract (at 13+million) -- one year older, one year from FA, one year deeper into a declining trend. In other words, his trade value will be lower, perhaps significantly so. There is risk in keeping Dunn, and risk in trading him. At the least, the Reds need to be exploring the market for him.
    I think Krivsky will do with Dunn what Cashman will do with AROD. He will not aggressively try to deal him. Instead he will sit back and wait until he is blown away by an offer. There seem to be a lot of power bats available this winter. Krivsky's best move may be to wait until ST or sometime into the season when a team gets desperate.

    You mention Dunn is not progressing. I think that is a fluke. Dunn seems to work hard at his hitting. And no one is more critical of himself. He never makes excuses. Dunn above anybody realizes 2006 was his worst year, and I believe he will work hard to fix that. I am sure Krivsky realizes all of this and thus will not actively seek a Dunn trade.

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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    Keeping Dunn and Junior mean that there is no money to spend on Free Agency. It means we have no trading chips to improve the club. It means this team will be exactly the same next season with most likely the same result or worse.
    I think any way you slice it, right now it would be something of an upset if the Reds were to get enough pieces to help them (read: sizeable net gain in run differential) next season for Adam Dunn or Ken Griffey.

    Teams just aren't going to give up much when the money difference and/or production difference between the player for whom they are trading and a potential free agent signee is negligible. Why give up high-ceiling prospects, especially multiple high-ceiling prospects, for a guy with blemishes AND a 10M/year price tag?

    I just don't see the potential return being a #1 starter, high-ceiling prospects, or enough above AAAA level major league starters to fill all of the Reds' gaping holes...which brings us full circle...why get rid of Dunn OR Griffey if you are only getting .70 (if that) on the dollar?

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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    I think that you have, at least, 25 other teams that would give Adam Dunn 10 million per, to play for them.
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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Who are you going to get for 10 million to replace Dunn's production?
    I'd also be curious to hear the idea for getting rid of Junior, what with his declining abilities, exhorbitant contract, 10/5 rights and whatnot.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    going into the last year of his contract (at 13+million) -- one year older, one year from FA,
    Scary thought. If his career numbers stay consistent, will he be worth even more money at then end of that contract? Will he want to be with a team more likely to contend than the Reds? Will the Reds be able to get anything for him at such a salary and his ability to walk?

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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by isaiahbarney View Post
    I think Krivsky will do with Dunn what Cashman will do with AROD. He will not aggressively try to deal him. Instead he will sit back and wait until he is blown away by an offer. There seem to be a lot of power bats available this winter. Krivsky's best move may be to wait until ST or sometime into the season when a team gets desperate.
    This I definitely agree with. He won't get a good deal until teams who think they're getting Soriano or Lee miss out on them. I'd like to see them sign a decent replacement bat early on, just in case a trade happens later.

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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Adam Dunn and Ryan Freel for Ervin Santana and Erick Aybar.
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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Who are you going to get for 10 million to replace Dunn's production?
    If you look at Dunn's numbers closer you'll see he gets alot of home runs and RBIs when the game isn't on the line. His average .221 with runners in scoring position shows me he isn't able to carry this team.
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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty View Post
    If you look at Dunn's numbers closer you'll see he gets alot of home runs and RBIs when the game isn't on the line. His average .221 with runners in scoring position shows me he isn't able to carry this team.
    And if you look even closer you'll see that he's led the team in runs and RBI's for 3 straight seasons, but hey... let's just use his RISP from this year to make decisions.

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    Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically )

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    And if you look even closer you'll see that he's led the team in runs and RBI's for 3 straight seasons, but hey... let's just use his RISP from this year to make decisions.
    Agreed.


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