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    Can the Reds improve next year without improving?

    As the Reds look to next year coming off a season record of 80-82, there's a slight problem. The Reds scored 749 runs while allowing 801 runs which comes to a pythagorean record of 76-86. With all the hub bub of Castellini having his first offseason it may not result in great results. With the offense clearly being deflated after the Kearns/Lopez trade and the evident lack of pitching, next year could be a let down for many fans. Even if the Reds get a decent starting pitcher and a closer it may not put us much above .500, if at all. The unrealistic record this year has brought hope because the Reds clearly got lucky, not to mention playing in an incredibly weak NL. So as everyone debates who the Reds should trade for or sign this year, my question is, will whoever we end up with make that much of a difference? Can this player or players make a difference so the final run differential improves the Reds to put them at .500? It's realistic to think thatthe Reds could even improve without impriving, die to the runs allowed vs. runs scored. I think of course it would improve the Reds but I don't think it'll be as much as most fans expect.
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    Re: Can the Reds improve next year without improving?

    You're right. I think the Reds are in for a Brewers 2006 kind of "letdown." I think they'll be worse than this year record-wise.

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    What about Key Injuries to players on other teams ? What about winds blowing out or in on given Days? What about the light going on in a certain players head ala David Ross in this previous year. I love the what ifs about baseball, to quote Joaquin Andujuar ("ja neva know"
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    Best hope for improvement is Bailey providing good starts down the stretch and Votto providing a productive bat at 1st. If those two holes aren't filled from within, and limited talent and cash resources need to be allocated to them, they can't acquire enough to fill the other needs.
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    Re: Can the Reds improve next year without improving?

    It's early yet.

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    Re: Can the Reds improve next year without improving?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    It's early yet.
    Not really. We at least know that the team--as is-- is awful. Moving up from "awful" is incredibly difficult, particularly in one offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Not really. We at least know that the team--as is-- is awful. Moving up from "awful" is incredibly difficult, particularly in one offseason.
    Interesting.

    You say the Reds are an awful team, however, the Cardinals, who finished only 3.5 games ahead of the Reds, are a great team according to you. Very, very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Interesting.

    You say the Reds are an awful team, however, the Cardinals, who finished only 3.5 games ahead of the Reds, are a great team according to you. Very, very interesting.
    Pythagorean.

    And as you know, the team only got worse in July.

    While the Cards have steadily improved since removing their broken part, Izzy, and gettin their players healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Pythagorean
    The Reds went 9-6 against the Cardinals in 2006.

    The Cardinals Pythagorean was nothing special. +19 in the horrible NL Central is nothing to brag about.

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    Re: Can the Reds improve next year without improving?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    The Reds went 9-6 against the Cardinals in 2006.

    The Cardinals Pythagorean was nothing special. +19 in the horrible NL Central is nothing to brag about.
    But the Cards were hit by serious injuries to important parts of their club: Pujols, Edmonds, Izzy.

    The Reds played full-bore healthy and over their heads.

    Play this season with both teams perfectly healthy and the records would likely be:

    Reds 75 wins

    Cards 89 wins.

    And I think you know "record against" doesn't mean all that much, as the weaker Brewers have routinely handed the Reds their asses in years past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Pythagorean.

    And as you know, the team only got worse in July.
    Who, the Reds or Cardinals?

    The Cardinals had a losing record in the second half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    But the Cards were hit by serious injuries to important parts of their club: Pujols, Edmonds, Izzy.

    The Reds played full-bore healthy and over their heads.

    Play this season with both teams perfectly healthy and the records would likely be:

    Reds 75 wins

    Cards 89 wins.

    And I think you know "record against" doesn't mean all that much, as the weaker Brewers have routinely handed the Reds their asses in years past.
    The Reds were fully healthy? Don't make up things to make your Cardinals look better.

    Griffey was on the DL twice, Encarnacion missed a month, Ross was on the DL for a while. Guardado, who really improved the bullpen, missed the final month or so. Please, the Cardinals are an awful team. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

    Wait. Didn't you make a comment last night that losing Izzy basically helped the Cards? Now you are saying his injury was an important blow to the Cards?
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    Re: Can the Reds improve next year without improving?

    Which hat do you prefer FCB?


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    Re: Can the Reds improve next year without improving?

    They're not the best incarnation of the Cards, but their timing just happens to be right. What's the big deal in pointing it out? Would you rather underestimate them for next year and just assume they're an 83 win team all over again in 2007? Or would you rather look at them objectively and see how much improved their bullpen is and how well they play when their players are healthy?

    Sure the Cards need help in their rotation, but every team in the National League does, the Reds being one of the direst situations--I'm not sure there's a team in the major leagues who sees a dropoff as bad as the Reds' after the #2 spot in the rotation; it's like an express elevator to hell after Harang.

    The Cards have Carpenter, Reyes, who should be average at least, and Suppan, who is average. But you can live with that when you have a bullpen as strong as the Cards'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    The Reds were fully healthy? Don't make up things to make your Cardinals look better.

    Griffey was on the DL twice, Encarnacion missed a month, Ross was on the DL for a while. Guardado, who really improved the bullpen, missed the final month or so. Please, the Cardinals are an awful team. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

    Wait. Didn't you make a comment last night that losing Izzy basically helped the Cards? Now you are saying his injury was an important blow to the Cards?
    The only sure-handed producer the Reds genuinely "missed" in terms of offensive and defensive production was Encarnacion, I'll give you that.

    Whatever offense we lost from Griff being on the DL, we made it right back by playing Freel and Denorfia in center.
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