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    Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    Wondering what everyone thought about the idea of Homer as the Reds closer in 2007.

    This would allow the Reds to have Homer plug a major hole on the pitching staff without expecting him to throw 200 + innings.

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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    No.
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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    I'd rather keep Bailey on track as a starting pitcher. A possible number one starter is much, much harder to find than a relief pitcher. If Bailey doesn't make the majors until 2008, so be it.
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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    I think its scary. Following the Papelbon path and making him a starter in 2008 I assume. Need to determine if he can pitch on back to back days or if that will hurt his arm. The reds went back and forth with Charlton and it set him back for a while. Moving certainly did nothing to help Danny Graves. Its easier for a starter to closer than a short reliever to start IMO but I wouldn't take a risk for a year of closing. I also think he still needs to build up his innings to become the starter we want and closing would derail that progress. He needs to pitch a combined 160 innings or so between AAA and the Majors in 2007.

    If you are talking about a permanent move, no way.

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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I think its scary. Following the Papelbon path and making him a starter in 2008 I assume. Need to determine if he can pitch on back to back days or if that will hurt his arm.
    Papelbon's 25 years old and closed in college, pitches a few too many back to back games, his mechanics get a little off from the fatigue, and the next thing you know, he feels a "pop" in his shoulder and he's shut down and preparing to convert back to starting again so they can keep him on a shoulder strengthening program during the season. Bailey will be 21(?), and is one of the most valuable commodities in all of baseball? Scary is exactly the right word.
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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj View Post
    Papelbon's 25 years old and closed in college, pitches a few too many back to back games, his mechanics get a little off from the fatigue, and the next thing you know, he feels a "pop" in his shoulder and he's shut down and preparing to convert back to starting again so they can keep him on a shoulder strengthening program during the season. Bailey will be 21(?), and is one of the most valuable commodities in all of baseball? Scary is exactly the right word.
    And we don't yet know how the Papelbon experiment will turn out. Will the fact that he spent a year at closer set him back in his development as a starter? The Papelbon closer experiment cannot yet be labeled a good more by the Sox until we see how he does next year as a starter.

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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshnky View Post
    The Papelbon closer experiment cannot yet be labeled a good more by the Sox until we see how he does next year as a starter.
    In fact, I don't see how anyone can consider it a good move right now at all, since they're already being forced to undo it. If it had gotten them into the playoffs, then at least it would have that going for it, but you could just as easily make the case that it was one of the things that kept them from making the playoffs, and it may have put him at unnecessary risk. He sure was good at it, though, and you could tell he had the time of his life while it lasted. But, in hindsight, if they could go back in time and choose all over again, I wouldn't want them to do it.
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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    Not a smart move at all.

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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    Keep him starting.
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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    I really don't see any change in axiom to start out your best arms as a starter until they prove otherwise. Whether it be closer, setup or middle relief, relievers are always failed starters. Filling out the rotation should always be the priority.

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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    It depends how his pitches develop.

    I'd like to keep him as a starter. The Sox are moving Papelbon to the rotation next year as are the Cards with Wainright.

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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    Operative word - Patience! Keep him a pitcher, for heaven's sake. why mess him up?

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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    I would only have him in the pen for a year. The Braves had a lot of success breaking their young starters in by putting them in the pen for a year before they turned them lose in the rotation.

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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    Absolutely not. The risks far outweigh the rewards. Let the kid develop into a major league starter and leave it at that.

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    Re: Reds 2007 Closer:Homer Bailey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Willy View Post
    I would only have him in the pen for a year. The Braves had a lot of success breaking their young starters in by putting them in the pen for a year before they turned them lose in the rotation.
    In long relief, maybe; not as closers. My hope is the Reds find a really good longer-term solution at closer this offseason; didn't I read somewhere that Krivsky is the one who told the Twins they should get Joe Nathan from the Giants? He should do that again.


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