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    TRADE David Ross.

    Would you do it?

    I would. Catchers are hard to come by, and teams would undoubtedly be interested if Ross was made available. But, I'm definitely not sold on the fact that Ross can repeat it, and you might not be either if you read WOY's thread. Now maybe Ross is a late bloomer, but history seems to disagree.

    And I'm still not sold on the fact that LaRue is done. A man does not go from putting up his best year one season to being finished the next. And his 100+ IsoD is very interesting, IMO, and if he bats even 250, I think he might be able to OBP 380-400 and SLG 440, which I'd be thrilled with.

    And again, we might get some good parts. I'd target Florida.

    They are STACKED with pitching, and Ross is cheap, and they need a catcher. I'm not sure who'd they be willing to part with, I'd ask about Vargas or Resop, although tha might be asking a bit much. Maybe the Reds might also be able to victimize a dumber GM, maybe a Omar Minaya type who'd trade his Scott Kazmir for our whoever that guy was.

    But, what do you think?
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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    There isn't anybody in the entire organization that I would not trade if the right deal came along.
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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    Yeah, I'm not fan of Jason LaRue, but I'm not adverse to trading Ross - one will have to go; we can't have the three headed monster another season - and that, IMO, was an aberation to various things; LaRue's injury, contract and subsequent ineptitude at the plate, but I think he can still hit.

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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190 View Post
    Would you do it?

    I would. Catchers are hard to come by, and teams would undoubtedly be interested if Ross was made available. But, I'm definitely not sold on the fact that Ross can repeat it, and you might not be either if you read WOY's thread. Now maybe Ross is a late bloomer, but history seems to disagree.

    And I'm still not sold on the fact that LaRue is done. A man does not go from putting up his best year one season to being finished the next. And his 100+ IsoD is very interesting, IMO, and if he bats even 250, I think he might be able to OBP 380-400 and SLG 440, which I'd be thrilled with.

    And again, we might get some good parts. I'd target Florida.

    They are STACKED with pitching, and Ross is cheap, and they need a catcher. I'm not sure who'd they be willing to part with, I'd ask about Vargas or Resop, although tha might be asking a bit much. Maybe the Reds might also be able to victimize a dumber GM, maybe a Omar Minaya type who'd trade his Scott Kazmir for our whoever that guy was.

    But, what do you think?

    There's no way Jason LaRue puts up an OPS between .820 and .840, with an OBP in the .380 to .400 range. No way at all. With a career OBP of .325, and having put up a career high of .355 in his career year of 2005, .380 to .400 is the pipe dream of all pipe dreams.

    LaRue has a semi respectable career OPS of .740, which is what I would expect from him on an average year. He was .663 last year in a down year. At age 32, I wouldn't expect his OBP and OPS to hurdle his career norm/average.

    But hey, stranger things have happened.

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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    TMA.

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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ga_Red View Post
    If the ratio of innings played to hrs stayed constant.
    which catcher would have led the majors in hrs?
    and for ip to rsbi?
    and for Salary $ to hrs?
    and for Salary $ to rsbi?

    imo AH, BA, HB, EE, DR and BP are the ltc core to build on.
    Trade any of the rest to do it.
    Completely agree on your core. Those are the guys I'd build around also.

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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    What makes you think he won't repeat it? I might question him if he was an AL guy and the pitchers over here didn't know him, but his been in the NL his whole career. They've scouted him. Is it so horrible to think that a player who has not yet reached 30 may have had his game improve? Why not find a way to get rid of Larue's horrific contract, and, as you see it, "roll the dice" with Ross. The downside is probably an average Larue-type year.
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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    He's one of the few members of the team who performed well above average at the plate in '06, playing a position at which the club is well-stocked. You have to trade value to get value back and he would seem to have value. The challenge here is that he's underpaid for his production and to get comparable value would likely mean taking on a higher salary.

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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    Imagine if only the team had foresight to cash in on Javy Lopez's unlikely flourish in 2005. Well, here's that same chance with a different player. Maybe Ross will build on what he did in 2006, but chances are he won't and that he'll slip back to the forgettable player he was before last season. The guy turns 30 in March, he's not a kid you build around.

    If you like Dave Ross 2006, my suggestion is that you go find the next one rather than count on Dave Ross 2007 being more of the same.
    Last edited by M2; 10-19-2006 at 04:53 PM.
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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    Take LaRue's IsoD with a grain of salt.
    It's .097 batting 8th (presumably before the pitcher) and .075 otherwise (about equal ABs in both situations).
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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    If you can move LaRue for something of value, fine, go ahead. If you can't, move Ross for something of value. Keep in mind that Ross is the worst offensively, and the LaRue suffered through some really bad luck last year, BABIP wise. With normal luck, he would've been pretty much in line with his career norms (actually pushing his career best OBP). If you can flip Ross for a pitching with some talent, I'd do it without thinking twice. Yes, LaRue is overpaid. But just losing his salary doesn't accomplish much if there's talent to be had by trading Ross instead.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Imagine if only the team had foresight to cash in on Javy Lopez's unlikely flourish in 2005. Well, here's that same chance with a different player. Maybe Ross will build on what he did in 2006, but chances are he won't and that he'll slip back to the forgettable player he was before last season. The guy turns 30 in March, he's not kid you build around.

    If you like Dave Ross 2006, my suggestion is that you go find the next one rather than count on Dave Ross 2007 being more of the same.
    A lot of the Reds' 2006 offense seemed to be lightning in a bottle -- Hatteberg, Aurilia, Ross, and Phillips far exceeded their career norms. The case could be made that Phillips was merely establishing his norms, but the others have been around long enough (in Ross's case, in the minors) to give everyone a pretty good idea what they can do.

    I think the Reds would be wise to cash in on some of that overachievement.
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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    I think David Ross liked Great American Ballpark in 2006. It fits his swing.
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    Re: TRADE David Ross.

    Can an arb-eligible player be traded before his team makes a qualifying offer?

    (If the answer is yes...sell high)
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