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    MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    No posturing about a strike or lockout? No whining about teams losing money? Someone better alert the Milwaukee police because I think Bud Selig has been killed.

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    Major League Baseball and the players union are close to an agreement on a new labor contract and are hoping to have a deal in place by this weekend, The New York Times reported on its Web site Thursday night, citing an unidentified person with knowledge of the negotiations.

    "We have been talking and we continue to talk," union leader Donald Fehr told the Times. He declined to comment further.

    Rob Manfred, the MLB executive in charge of labor issues, did not return a message from the newspaper.

    Labor talks have been ongoing since early in the season, and the Times reported that negotiations have lasted into the night recently and that talks also were held last weekend.

    According to the Times, no major changes are expected in the new labor deal, though revenue sharing and the payroll tax have been the key topics of discussion at negotiations.

    The existing labor deal, which has been in place since 2002, will expire Dec. 19.
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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    That's stunning if they are truly that close to a deal. I was really expecting some sort of lock out or strike either this season or next, if they temporarily extended the current deal. I thought the major sticking point would be drug/steriod testing.
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    Wow. The fact (if the story is true) that this isn't going down to the wire, with the owners vowing to shut everything down unless the players give back something is just amazing, and is probably the first time since the union was formed in the late 60's that this has happened.

    Maybe the owners have finally figured out that the NFL and the NBA are the competition, not the players.
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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    Or more likely the owners know they have little chance of ever beating the players so they won't even try again.
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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    The simple truth is, there's really nothing for which either side feels compelled to go to the wall this time. The status quo is, if not ideal, at least something both players and owners can live with. Player compensation has stabilized and most teams are making some money*. Competitive balance is not ideal but the war that might have materialized over the Yankees hasn't, because they stopped winning the World Series. As for the drug testing, that battle has largely been fought and decided.

    * Edited to say, I believe they're making money when the whole picture is considered like related party transactions etc.
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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    The only way they will have a work stoppage is if the Cincinnati Reds are in first place and/or have one of the best teams in Major League Baseball...

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    Labor unrest or lack thereof in MLB depends purely on the fortunes of the Reds. As soon as the Reds are set to make a run, the strikes and lockouts shall begin.

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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    Negotiators are expected to eliminate draft-choice compensation for lost free agents, a step they came close to taking four years ago.
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    Negotiators are expected to eliminate draft-choice compensation for lost free agents, a step they came close to taking four years ago.

    That should mean more trades.
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    It's probably a good step. It was a vestige of the owners' fears at the beginning of the free-agent era. In reality, the big clubs got many of the compensatory picks because they pluck expensive or about-to-be-expensive players from other clubs via trade. It also complicated the process because a team had to offer arbitration to the player (and have it rejected) to get the compensatory pick, and sometimes that didn't go the way the club liked, e.g. the Maddux example of a few years ago.
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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    Negotiators are expected to eliminate draft-choice compensation for lost free agents, a step they came close to taking four years ago.
    I've been wanting this for years -- the measure does nothing but make the rich teams richer by rewarding them for having the ability to keep players in contract years around to the end of the season, as opposed to trading them off for younger players as most teams are forced to do.

    I wonder if they'll tinker with the draft a little more and allow teams to start dealing picks as well...
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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    I wonder if they'll tinker with the draft a little more and allow teams to start dealing picks as well...
    Word is they will also institute a slotting system for draft bonuses. Something tells me that will be a huge step in that direction.

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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    slotting system? what in the world is that?

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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Or more likely the owners know they have little chance of ever beating the players so they won't even try again.
    Interesting comment, Krono. I know what you are saying. However, do any MLB owners rely on that "job" to pay their bills or do they all do it as an afterthought to millions (or billions) made in another line-of-work (inheritance, etc)? And where can the players make serious money without MLB? You'd think that owners can holdout a lot longer than the players. Even though most players are filthy rich, they are not near as filthy rich as the owners and do not have other means for income without MLB. I think the onwers could beat the players over a length of time. A length of time that us fans would hate to suffer through and do not want to see.
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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    Some owners have a lot of wealth. Others don't. But in either case, buying an MLB franchise has become so expensive that it's the norm for most of the money to be borrowed. If I remember right, the guy who bought the Dodgers did it with a OPM (Other People's Money) deal and pretty much all of it was borrowed. It costs them millions annually just in debt service.

    Combine that with the difficulty of beating the union, and they won't shut down the game for a long time until they feel they must. That's what happened with the NHL lockout -- they lost less money not playing than playing, so they could afford to wait as long as it took. That's not the situation in baseball right now.
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    Re: MLB and MLBPA close to new labor agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaknb8k View Post
    slotting system? what in the world is that?
    It means that signing bonuses are largely predetermined based on draft position. The exact means varies. For example, the NFL has a "rookie cap" that varies by team and is based on the picks they make. A team can't vary from the suggested amounts by much or it won't be able to sign its other picks.

    The idea is to prevent players from making excessive bonus demands that scare off the teams at the top of the draft.
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