Also, LaRussa's teams have always been full of juicers dating back to his Oakland days. Coincidence? I think not.
I miss Adam Dunn.
Chris Duncan is 6'5". He looks more like Adam Dunn than Mark McGwire. Not that appearance tells you much about steroid use. Look, if it makes you feel better maligning good and great players with the steriod charge, with not one iota of evidence to back it up, fine. But it is not even close to 'fair' and it doesn't strike me as a good way to spend your time. D.GOOCH
I think Scott Speizio's chin is on steroirds. Or crack. One of the two.
My evidence is his manager has a history of managing juicers (not a coincidence), and Duncan's 200+ point boost in OPS raises a red flag for me.
I miss Adam Dunn.
Really?with his old man being such a visible and powerful figure, no one's going to make Chris tinkle into a cup.
If Barry has done it you can bet Chris Duncan will.
Gooch, are you arguing that this isn't a bad team, or that it's not worse relative to most past world series teams? Those are two different arguments. I don't think they're really a bad team in the sense that the Royals are a bad team. This Cards team has some talent and is most definitely not a bad team. But when I think of World Series caliber teams, sorry but this years Cards do not seem to be in that category. They were in the right place at the right time in the NL. Nothing wrong with that and if I were a Cards fan, I wouldn't care one iota if that were the case if it meant another world series.
But if you're trying to convince me that this Cardinals team is on par with most of the teams that go to the World Series, I dn't think you're going to get very far. Bad team? Nah. Typical World Series caliber? No either. The 2006 Cardinals are not very high on the list when you're talking about quality of teams in the World Series. As a matter of fact, I'm looking over the list of teams, in both leagues, that made the World Series over the last 25 years, and the only team I think is in the same category is the 87 Twins. I can't look at a single other team and say, "yeah, this year's Cardinals team is as good or better."
If I were you, I'd be sitting back and saying, "I don't give a damn." But I would be trying to convinve us that they're at the same level as most of the teams that go to the series.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
MWM! how was the game?
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
Plus Bobby Bonds is so far out of the game that he doesn't have the current weight to throw around in MLB that a politically connected guy like Duncan has.
You can bet your arse if Dave Duncan says "There's nothing to see here, move along," that that's exactly what MLB will do.
And Duncan will never draw the attention that Bonds does anyway, so the point is moot.
If there's a juicer on the Cardinals, it's Chris Duncan: he's all kinds of puffy, and has those "log" arms that you can't achieve by lifting weights alone. Plus, he's pretty pimply, and has a faint moonface. I'd bet a case of kosher dogs the guy's getting chemical assistance.
Assumptions are fun.. but in the end they're just that.
I like data.
I think some Reds have used steroids. I think a lot of players use steroids. So it's not sour grapes on my part. (And like I said, I have no reason to suspect Pujols is a user).
And with the data provided by OBM that revealed such a freaky statistical jump in Duncan's numbers, coupled with his physique, well, I don't feel so bad about throwing around harmless conjecture on a message board.
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FWIW Chris Duncan 6'5 210, Willie McCovey 6'4" 195
And if you don't think that a living breathing member of the Baseball Brotherhood can't deflect suspicion away from one of its member's sons, then I don't know what to say. A guy like Dave Duncan, and by extension Tony Larussa, is among the top 20 or so most powerful people in all of baseball--the only people more powerful than two guys like that are team owners. Players--even superstars like Barry Bonds--don't possess the clout that guys like Larussa, Duncan, Torre possess--not in the exceedingly conservative and white ivory tower of MLB.
They don't want evidence against Bonds. But catching a guy like Duncan would say that baseball is:
- effectively testing
- impartial toward players with baseball heritage ("brotherhood" as you say)
- blind to race
If Duncan was guilty, they would be announcing it with fanfare IMO. They wouldn't be covering it up.