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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    The Reds have 10 players under contract for next season, making a total of $48.925 million:
    OF Ken Griffey Jr. $12.5 million
    OF Adam Dunn $10.5 million
    SP Eric Milton $9 million
    C Jason LaRue $5.2 million
    SP Bronson Arroyo $3.8 million
    RP Rheal Cormier $2.25 million
    OF/IF Ryan Freel $1.7 million
    IF Scott Hatteberg $1.65 million
    C Javier Valentin $1.325 million
    IF Juan Castro $1 million

    The arbitration-eligible players:
    pitchers Aaron Harang and Kyle Lohse and catcher David Ross...will get another $11 million or so. Even if everyone else on the roster made the big-league minimum, that would put the payroll at $65 million.
    That would leave $10 million for shopping if the payroll went to $75 million. The Reds need a closer and a shortstop, and $10 million doesn't buy what it used to.

    29 million dollars are tied up in Griffey, Milton, LaRue and Cormier.
    39 If you include Dunn.
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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Not for nothing, but Dunn is Krivsky's doing as well. I love Dunn, but I think it can be argued that his current contract makes him a bit more difficult to move this offseason, at any rate.
    I'd disagree with that. While having him not under a big dollar contract might make him seem more enticing, it might help him move this offseason because it gives teams looking for a bat some cost certainty when dealing for Dunn. But for that contract, they'd be acquiring a player that would represent an unknown variable in arbitration.

    At the very worst, it's a wash in his trade value, IMO.
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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    I'd disagree with that. While having him not under a big dollar contract might make him seem more enticing, it might help him move this offseason because it gives teams looking for a bat some cost certainty when dealing for Dunn. But for that contract, they'd be acquiring a player that would represent an unknown variable in arbitration.

    At the very worst, it's a wash in his trade value, IMO.
    Maybe it's not such a big deal, but the non-sabremetric GMs who might have gotten excited by his HR numbers are probably really, really cold on him right now that he costs 10 million dollars.

    Yeah, his contract might be enticing to Beane (cf. Jason Kendall), Epstein, or maybe Bowden, but that's about it.

    But whatever, I'd just as soon keep Dunn, anyway.

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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    yep. And that has been my stated position.... Krivsky has not saddled this team with bad contracts as the likes of Milton, Griffey, and LaRue. He has shown us this past season that if it's for the good of the team he'll dump/eat contracts.

    One has to look WHERE the bulk of the money is being spent (wasted).

    Contracts like Hatteberg and Dunn are very tradeable.

    And the contracts of guys like Castro and Valentin may not have "likeablility", but they are not killers to this organization.

    Milton, Griffey, and LaRue's are. And they are not going anywhere.
    Larue at 5 million is money way better spent than Valentin and Castro at 3 million.

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    It's far from the biggest issue as far as contracts are concerned, but seeing Cormier's contract, and knowing that he was extended b/f he ever threw a pitch in Cincinnati, really burns me up.
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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Larue at 5 million is money way better spent than Valentin and Castro at 3 million.
    That's your opinion. But as a catcher, and at age 32, I see him on the downhill side. His asset was his arm/defense, and not his offense. His defensive skills have been eroding.

    2006 - 72 games...... .194 BA .317 OB% .346 SLG% .663 OPS

    51 Ks in 191 ABs. Not good.

    Everything about this guy's game is on the downhill side.

    Now I realize that guy struggled with injury earlier in the season, and that possibly could be a factor.

    We'll find out in '07, because I doubt they find someone to trade him to.
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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    That's your opinion. But I see LaRue on the downhill side. He sure contributed alot this year.
    Larue's contributed for years. Castro and Valentin (aside from his career year) have done exactly nothing in their careers. How quickly we forget.

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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Larue's contributed for years.
    The issue is not about what he DID. Whose arguing with that? But what his future contributions will be.

    Again, and as we've been discussing on here as of late, it's about making (or minimizing) poor decisions.

    Castro and Valentin (aside from his career year) have done exactly nothing in their careers. How quickly we forget.
    Nothing? That is an exaggeration on your part IMO.

    But I'm not basing my evaluation of LaRue against Castro and/or Valentin.

    You can make anyone look good standing them up against those two.
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    Depressing thread. Demonstrates how far away we are from being financially solvent enough to be able to afford good pitching.

    It still burns me up that we weren't able to take advantage of the stars aligning in our favor this season. Methinks we'll not get that close to a playoff berth for at least 5 years.
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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski View Post
    Depressing thread. Demonstrates how far away we are from being financially solvent enough to be able to afford good pitching.
    We free up alot of money after next year.
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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse View Post
    39 If you include Dunn.
    We get more out of Dunn's 10 then we do out of the other 29 combined.

    My point was those 29 million were crappy.

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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    We get more out of Dunn's 10 then we do out of the other 29 combined.

    My point was those 29 million were crappy.
    The ability to move contracts matters no matter what.

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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    You look at the longterm contracts the Reds have handed out over the last 6-7 years, and with the exception of Dunn's, everyone of those players after they signed those contracts, performance-wise and due to injuries, have not lived up to those contracts. And they proved to be yokes around this organization's neck.

    Larkin, Griffey, Casey, Graves, Milton, LaRue

    No luck at all.
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    Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    You look at the longterm contracts the Reds have handed out over the last 6-7 years, and with the exception of Dunn's, everyone of those players after they signed those contracts, performance-wise and due to injuries, have not lived up to those contracts. And they proved to be yokes around this organization's neck.

    Larkin, Griffey, Casey, Graves, Milton, LaRue

    No luck at all.
    Don't forget Wilson. Didn't last 2 years of Pete Harinish also not work out well. It all started w/ Jose big contract and then he got hurt.

    Really other than Larkins 1st contract (mid 90's) and Scott Sullivens (sp) were there any other long contracts that worked out for the Reds?

    Bret Boones was ok but the 1st couple(pre roids?) years were not good.


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