What is the strangest in-game player move or decision made by a manager that you've ever witnessed?
Whether it worked out, or totally blew up, what is the weirdest in game move made?
What is the strangest in-game player move or decision made by a manager that you've ever witnessed?
Whether it worked out, or totally blew up, what is the weirdest in game move made?
Grady Little...
When all is said and done more is said than done.
Bob Boone doing the manegerial two step with Juan Castro and Bill Selby in ...I think it was June of 2001.
He swapped Castro and Selby between third base and second base on a batter by batter basis based on where he thought the ball would be hit. He did it for a couple of innings.
I'm not clever enough to make that up. It happened. You could hear the horror in Marty's voice as he realized the reds manager was crazy. The fact that Boone kept his job for another two years after that says everything that can be said about how low this organization sank.
Starting Juan Castro against Randy Johnson because "he's right-handed."
Bringing Donnie Sadler in as a defensive replacement in left.
Sitting Dunn in Colorado.
Makes all the routine posts.
Last year Dunn and Griffey sat together in Colorado against a LH (Francis I believe).Originally Posted by Redsland
I just read Mind Game, about the Red Sox WS season. How about every move Joe Torre did in the 2004 World Series. He looks like the worst manager in baseball (which I kind of thought he was anyway before that book). He is an expert at sitting on his hands.
I must have missed that series.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
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Mickey Stanley.
I saw this game on TV, but it was a Cardinals/Braves game on 5/14/88 that went 18 innings. Whitey Herzog at one point put pitcher Jose DeLeon in the outfield and alternated him from RF to LF with OFer Tom Brunansky according to which side of the plate the batter was using. He also used pitcher John Tudor as a pinch hitter and the game finished with super sub Jose Oquendo pitching 4 innings, getting the loss in the 18th (he almost got the win!). The Cardinals used 23 players.
Davey Johnson bringing in both Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell and having them shuttle between RF and the mound dependent on the batter.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
I saw that game as well. That has to be my favorite non Reds game I've ever seen, just for the sheer absurdity of it all.I saw this game on TV, but it was a Cardinals/Braves game on 5/14/88 that went 18 innings. Whitey Herzog at one point put pitcher Jose DeLeon in the outfield and alternated him from RF to LF with OFer Tom Brunansky according to which side of the plate the batter was using. He also used pitcher John Tudor as a pinch hitter and the game finished with super sub Jose Oquendo pitching 4 innings, getting the loss in the 18th (he almost got the win!). The Cardinals used 23 players.
If that's the game I am thinking of that's the game where Eric Davis and Ray Knight got into it, and with several players being ejected, Johnson was really low on players. So instead of taking Orosco out of the game, he just shoved him in right and would alternate him and McDowell. When the ejections happened, he only had one position player left, and it was a catcher. So he brings in the new catcher, and has Gary Carter move to third to replace Knight.
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
Code:New York Mets 6, Cincinnati Reds 3 Day Game Played on Tuesday, July 22, 1986 (N) at Riverfront Stadium NY N 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 3 - 6 12 0 CIN N 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 3 14 2 BATTING New York Mets AB R H RBI BB SO PO A Dykstra cf 7 1 1 1 1 1 2 0 Backman 2b 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 Teufel ph,2b 3 1 1 0 1 1 3 4 Hernandez 1b 5 0 3 0 2 0 23 2 Carter c,3b 6 0 0 0 1 2 7 3 Strawberry rf 2 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 K. Mitchell rf 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 Hearn c 2 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 Heep lf 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 Sisk p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Aguilera ph 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 Orosco p,rf,p,rf 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 Knight 3b 5 0 2 0 0 0 1 3 McDowell p,rf,lf,p 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 Santana ss 2 0 1 0 1 0 1 4 Johnson ph,ss 4 1 1 3 0 2 0 3 Ojeda p 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 3 Foster ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Anderson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 Myers p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Wilson lf,rf,lf 3 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 Totals 53 6 12 4 11 10 42 26 FIELDING - DP: 1. Hernandez-Carter-Teufel. BATTING - 2B: Hernandez 2 (18,off Terry,off Willis); Teufel (10,off Robinson); Hearn (4,off Willis). 3B: Dykstra (6,off Terry). HR: Johnson (6,14th inning off Power 2 on 1 out). IBB: Wilson (1,by Franco); Carter (4,by Willis); Hernandez (5,by Willis). Team LOB: 16. BASERUNNING - SB: Strawberry (21,2nd base off Terry/Diaz). Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO PO A Venable cf,lf 5 0 1 0 1 1 5 0 Bell 3b 7 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 Parker rf 5 1 2 2 1 2 3 0 Diaz c 4 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 Franco p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Rose ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 Davis pr 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Browning pr 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Willis p 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Power p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Esasky lf 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 Milner cf 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 Rowdon ss 6 0 1 0 0 0 4 6 Perez 1b 5 0 2 0 1 0 15 2 Oester 2b 5 0 1 0 0 1 2 9 Terry p 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 Daniels ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 Murphy p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Stillwell ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 Robinson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Butera c 3 0 0 0 0 0 6 0 Totals 51 3 14 3 3 7 42 19 FIELDING - DP: 4. Oester-Rowdon, Oester-Rowdon-Perez, Oester-Perez, Willis-Rowdon-Perez. E: Parker (5), Rowdon (4). PB: Diaz (9). BATTING - HR: Parker (21,3rd inning off Ojeda 1 on 2 out); Bell (6,5th inning off Ojeda 0 on 2 out). SH: Venable (1,off Ojeda); Oester (4,off McDowell). IBB: Venable (1,by Sisk). Team LOB: 11. BASERUNNING - SB: Rowdon (2,2nd base off Anderson/Carter); Davis 2 (47,2nd base off Orosco/Carter,3rd base off Orosco/Carter). PITCHING New York Mets IP H R ER BB SO HR Ojeda 5 6 3 3 1 4 2 Anderson 1.1 2 0 0 0 0 0 Myers 0.2 1 0 0 1 0 0 Sisk 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 Orosco 2 3 0 0 0 3 0 McDowell W(8-4) 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 Totals 14 14 3 3 3 7 2 Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR Terry 5 5 1 1 3 2 0 Murphy 2 0 0 0 2 1 0 Robinson 1.2 2 2 0 1 1 0 Franco 1.1 1 0 0 2 3 0 Willis L(1-1) 3 3 2 2 3 2 0 Power 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 Totals 14 12 6 4 11 10 1 Myers faced 1 batter in the 8th inning Willis faced 2 batters in the 14th inning WP: Franco (3). IBB: Sisk (1,Venable); Franco (11,Wilson); Willis 2 (2,Carter,Hernandez). Umpires: Gerry Davis, Doug Harvey, Dana DeMuth, Eric Gregg Time of Game: 5:00 Attendance: 23707 Starting Lineups: New York Mets Cincinnati Reds 1. Dykstra cf Venable cf 2. Backman 2b Bell 3b 3. Hernandez 1b Parker rf 4. Carter c Diaz c 5. Strawberry rf Esasky lf 6. Heep lf Rowdon ss 7. Knight 3b Perez 1b 8. Santana ss Oester 2b 9. Ojeda p Terry p METS 1ST: Dykstra made an out to center; Backman grounded out (first to pitcher); Hernandez walked; Carter was called out on strikes; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 0. REDS 1ST: Venable grounded out (third to first); Bell singled to center; Parker struck out; Diaz made an out to center; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 0. METS 2ND: Strawberry walked; Strawberry stole second; Heep lined into a double play (second to shortstop) [Strawberry out at second]; Knight singled to center; Santana singled to right [Knight to second]; Ojeda struck out; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 0. REDS 2ND: Esasky struck out; Rowdon grounded out (second to first); Perez singled to center; Oester grounded out (pitcher to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 0. METS 3RD: Dykstra grounded out (pitcher to first); Backman grounded out (second to first); Hernandez doubled to left; Carter lined to first; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 0. REDS 3RD: Terry singled to left; Venable out on a sacrifice bunt (pitcher to first) [Terry to second]; Bell grounded out (shortstop to first); Parker homered [Terry scored]; Diaz grounded out (shortstop to first); 2 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 2. METS 4TH: Strawberry grounded out (shortstop to first); Heep grounded out (second to first); Knight made an out to center; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 2. REDS 4TH: Esasky struck out; Rowdon grounded out (shortstop to first); Perez walked; Oester struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Reds 2. METS 5TH: Santana walked; On a bunt Ojeda forced Santana (first to shortstop); Dykstra tripled to center [Ojeda scored]; Backman reached on a fielder's choice [Dykstra out at home (second to catcher)]; Hernandez singled to right [Backman to second]; Carter popped to catcher in foul territory; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 2. REDS 5TH: DANIELS BATTED FOR TERRY; Daniels singled to center; Daniels was picked off first (pitcher to first); Venable made an out to shortstop; Bell homered; Parker grounded out (first unassisted); 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3. METS 6TH: MURPHY REPLACED DANIELS (PITCHING); Strawberry was called out on strikes; Strawbery ejected for arguing strike call; Heep walked; Knight made an out to right; Santana reached on an error by Rowdon [Heep to second, Santana to first]; FOSTER BATTED FOR OJEDA; Foster made an out to right; 0 R, 0 H, 1 E, 2 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3. REDS 6TH: K. MITCHELL REPLACED STRAWBERRY (PLAYING RF); ANDERSON REPLACED FOSTER (PITCHING); Diaz grounded out (third to first); Esasky grounded out (second to first); Rowdon singled to left; Rowdon stole second; Perez grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3. METS 7TH: Dykstra grounded out (shortstop to first); TEUFEL BATTED FOR BACKMAN; Teufel walked; Hernandez grounded into a double play (second to shortstop to first) [Teufel out at second]; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3. REDS 7TH: TEUFEL STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING 2B); Oester grounded out (first to pitcher); STILLWELL BATTED FOR MURPHY; Stillwell singled to center; MYERS REPLACED ANDERSON (PITCHING); Venable singled to shortstop [Stillwell out at second (shortstop to second)]; hit and run; Stillwell safe on attempted force but overslid the bag; Bell made an out to right; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3. METS 8TH: ROBINSON REPLACED STILLWELL (PITCHING); Carter made an out to center; K. Mitchell made an out to center; Heep singled to left; Knight grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3. REDS 8TH: Parker walked; SISK REPLACED HEEP (PITCHING); WILSON REPLACED MYERS (PLAYING LF); Diaz made an out to left; Esasky popped to first in foul territory; Rowdon grounded out (pitcher to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 1, Reds 3. METS 9TH: JOHNSON BATTED FOR SANTANA; VENABLE CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING LF); MILNER REPLACED ESASKY (PLAYING CF); Johnson was called out on strikes but advanced to first on a passed ball; Johnson kicked the ball leaving batter's box; Wilson grounded into a double play (second to first) [Johnson out at second]; Dykstra walked; Teufel doubled to center [Dykstra to third]; FRANCO REPLACED DIAZ (PITCHING); BUTERA REPLACED ROBINSON (PLAYING C ); Hernandez reached on an error by Parker [Dykstra scored (unearned), Teufel scored (unearned), Hernandez to second]; Carter made an out to right; 2 R, 1 H, 1 E, 1 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. REDS 9TH: JOHNSON STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING SS); Perez grounded out (second to first); Oester singled to right; Butera grounded out (third to first) [Oester to second]; Venable was walked intentionally; Bell forced Oester (third unassisted); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. METS 10TH: K. Mitchell struck out; AGUILERA BATTED FOR SISK; Aguilera walked; Knight singled to center [Aguilera to second]; Franco threw a wild pitch [Aguilera to third, Knight to second]; Johnson struck out; Wilson was walked intentionally; Dykstra struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 3 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. REDS 10TH: OROSCO REPLACED AGUILERA (PITCHING); Parker struck out; ROSE BATTED FOR FRANCO; Rose singled to center; DAVIS RAN FOR ROSE; Davis stole second; Davis stole third; Knight, Davis, Mitchell and Soto ejected for brawl; BROWNING RAN FOR DAVIS; Milner struck out; CARTER CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING 3B); HEARN REPLACED K. MITCHELL (PLAYING C ); OROSCO CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING RF); MCDOWELL REPLACED KNIGHT (PITCHING); Rowdon grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. METS 11TH: WILLIS REPLACED BROWNING (PITCHING); Teufel made an out to center; Hernandez doubled to right; Carter was walked intentionally; Hearn grounded into a double play (pitcher to shortstop to first) [Carter out at second]; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. REDS 11TH: Perez singled to center; Oester out on a sacrifice bunt (third to second) [Perez to second]; Butera grounded out (third to first); OROSCO CHANGED POSITIONS (PITCHING); MCDOWELL CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING RF); Venable struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. METS 12TH: Orosco grounded out (second to first); McDowell grounded out (shortstop to first); Johnson made an out to left; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. REDS 12TH: Bell singled to third; MCDOWELL CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING LF); WILSON CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING RF); Parker singled to right [Bell to second]; On a bunt Willis grounded into a double play (first to third to second) [Bell out at third, Parker to second]; Milner made an out to center; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. METS 13TH: Wilson singled to center; Dykstra grounded out (first unassisted) [Wilson to second]; Teufel struck out; Hernandez was walked intentionally; Carter struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. REDS 13TH: OROSCO CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING RF); MCDOWELL CHANGED POSITIONS (PITCHING); WILSON CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING LF); Rowdon grounded out (shortstop to first); Perez made an out to right; Oester grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 3, Reds 3. METS 14TH: Hearn doubled to center; Orosco walked; POWER REPLACED WILLIS (PITCHING); McDowell struck out; Johnson homered [Hearn scored, Orosco scored]; Wilson grounded out (second to first); Dykstra grounded out (shortstop to first); 3 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 6, Reds 3. REDS 14TH: Butera grounded out (shortstop to first); Venable grounded out (second to first); Bell grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 6, Reds 3. Final Totals R H E LOB Mets 6 12 0 16 Reds 3 14 2 11
If only RedsZone was around in '86 to comment on that lineup.Cincinnati Reds
1. Venable cf
2. Bell 3b
3. Parker rf
4. Diaz c
5. Esasky lf
6. Rowdon ss
7. Perez 1b
8. Oester 2b
9. Terry p
"I can make all the stadiums rock."
-Air Supply
One of the craziest games ever played.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
Agreed. You'll notice that Davis pinch ran for Rose. Davis couldn't start because of a hand injury. When that spot came up, Davis and Rose were the only two players left. So Pete pinch hit, singled to center, and Davis ran for him. Then all hell broke loose...
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
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