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    2007 Cincinnati Reds

    Wayne Krivsky's contract obligations as he remakes the Reds in the Twins' image:

    C - David Ross - $0.5MM
    C - Javier Valentin - $1.25MM
    C - Jason LaRue - $5.2MM
    1B - Scott Hatteberg - $1.5MM
    2B - Brandon Phillips - $0.33MM
    SS -
    3B - Edwin Encarnacion - $0.3325MM
    IF - Juan Castro - $0.925MM
    LF - Adam Dunn - $10.5MM
    CF - Ken Griffey Jr. - $6MM (another $6.5MM is deferred)
    RF - Ryan Freel - $1.7MM
    OF - Chris Denorfia - $0.327MM

    SP - Aaron Harang - $2.35MM
    SP - Bronson Arroyo - $3.8MM
    SP - Kyle Lohse - $4MM
    SP - Eric Milton - $9MM
    SP - Elizardo Ramirez - $0.33MM
    SP - Homer Bailey - $0.33MM

    RP - Rheal Cormier - $2.25MM
    RP - Gary Majewski - $0.352MM
    RP - Matt Belisle - $0.3435MM
    RP - Todd Coffey - $0.339MM
    RP - Bill Bray - $0.33MM
    RP - Brian Shackelford - $0.33MM
    RP - Jason Standridge - $0.33MM

    Buyouts:

    SP - Paul Wilson - $0.85MM
    IF - Rich Aurilia - $0.2MM

    Injured:

    SP - Brandon Claussen - $0.37MM (shoulder surgery August 2006)

    I have the Reds at about $54-56MM depending on arbitration raises. They entered 2006 with a $61MM payroll. So, not that much to play with unless bigger salaries like Dunn or LaRue are unloaded.

    On the catching situation: LaRue just had an awful year, basically becoming Aaron Harang's personal catcher and nothing more. He's being paid like a #1, and would like to regain his job or be traded. If the Reds eat some salary maybe the Phillies would have interest. Ross posted some surprising career bests in 250 ABs; it probably can't hold up over another 400. He's only got three years of service time so the Reds should have his rights for a while.

    With a heavy dose of right-handed pitching, Hatteberg bounced back with an .826 OPS. He'll keep the seat warm for a good price until Joey Votto is ready. Votto is one of the game's very best 1B prospects. Hatteberg seems to be Krivsky's only acknowledgement of the importance of OBP.

    Phillips certainly looks like a capable 2B and a great find by Krivsky. There's been some talk of using him at shortstop; he played the position as recently as Triple A in 2005. He only got a brief trial there in '06 with the Reds; my feeling is that he'll remain at second and the team will import a shortstop.

    Let's just hope that Castro doesn't spend too much time as the starting SS. Interestingly, the Reds asked about Miguel Tejada in July. For Tejada to fit in the payroll, I think Adam Dunn would have to be involved. I haven't heard any specific names, but some other options at short include Julio Lugo, Jack Wilson, Alex Cintron, and Alex Gonzalez. It might've been nice to have Felipe Lopez around.

    Encarnacion looks like a future star at 3B, and Rich Aurilia probably won't be around to take any starts over there. Aurilia isn't much of a starting SS, so he'll probably price himself too high for the Reds to keep him as a backup.

    The outfield is pretty well set, with Denorfia finding plenty of work when Griffey is hurt. Jerry Narron would prefer to move Freel around and play him four days a week, so Denorfia can find PT in right as well.

    The front of the rotation looks solid, with Arroyo and Harang placing #1 and #3 in innings pitched in all of baseball. 40% of the time, those guys will take a load off a weak bullpen. Lohse wasn't awful as a Red, showing decent command. You'd rather have him as your fourth starter, but that's life. The Reds only have endure one more year of the Milton Mistake.

    Ideally the Reds can work in superprospect Homer Bailey in place of the worst of Lohse, Milton, or Ramirez. Until that's sorted out a bullpen intro to the bigs wouldn't be a horrible idea. Last year's 138 pro innings was a career high for the 20 year-old phenom. If he can keep the walks down, Bailey should be very tough to score upon even as a rookie.

    The Reds hope midseason acquisitions Majewski and Bray are healthy and effective in '07. If so, it has the potential to be a decent 'pen. The Reds are still lacking that one shutdown reliever to use in the ninth inning, however. There's nothing on the closer market, so the Reds will have to hope someone can step up.

    Cincinnati has a middle-of-the-pack offense right now. A full season without Austin Kearns or Felipe Lopez plus a possible trade of Dunn could weaken it even further. The pitching looks mediocre as well, especially factoring in some regression for Arroyo. The Reds are not a bad team, but they would probably need one more good starter, an impact hitter, and a bullpen ace to be favored in the division in 2007.

    Instead of trying to compete in 2007, the Reds might be better off shooting for '08. Votto, Bailey, and other prospects will have had time to develop. Encarnacion could be a star. Milton and LaRue will be off the books. The 2008 club could be a few wise expenditures away from contention
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    Re: 2007 Cincinnati Reds

    I think you have to try to compete in 2007, it creates a nice stepping stone to go all the way in 2008. Also, if you hadn't realized it wont take much to be an elite team in the NL, all the teams are pretty ho-hum. Nobody really stands out, maybe the Mets. All in all trades are going to have to be made for us to add talent, and we can acquire some through FA, but cant rely on it solely. So with that in mind here are my offseason moves:

    1)resign Schoenweis as the lefty specialist in the pen
    2)Sign Ted Lilly as the 2nd lefty in the rotation, this helps solidify the 1-4 spots, and it lets lizard,lohse,and claussen battle for the 5th spot.
    3)Trade Adam Dunn to the Dodgers for Jonathon Broxton(RP) and JD Drew(of) with Broxton being our closer.
    4)sign Alex Gonzalez as the starting SS
    5)sign David Delucci as our 3rd/4th OF.

    these are pretty reasonable, we may have to add someone with Dunn, but overall it greatly improves the team.

    additionsrew,Broxton,Gonzalez,Lilly, Delucci....all combined can fit into the current pay scale.

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    Re: 2007 Cincinnati Reds

    I wouldn't trade Adam Dunn for Broxton and Drew. Drew's a hangnail away from the 60 day DL.
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    Re: 2007 Cincinnati Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
    I wouldn't trade Adam Dunn for Broxton and Drew. Drew's a hangnail away from the 60 day DL.
    And he makes more than Dunn with much less production. And is 31 yrs old.

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    Re: 2007 Cincinnati Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by isaiahbarney View Post
    And he makes more than Dunn with much less production. And is 31 yrs old.
    Really?

    Adam Dunn has a career OPS of .893(.245/.380/.513). JD Drew has a career OPS of .905 (.286/.393/.512). Drew is easily a better defender than Dunn and has hit in a tougher home park. I'm not saying I'd trade Dunn for Drew necessarily, particularly given Drew's injury issues, but in terms of production, they are actually quite similar. One could argue that Drew is the more productive of the two, when he plays.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: 2007 Cincinnati Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by redlegs7089 View Post
    Wayne Krivsky's contract obligations as he remakes the Reds in the Twins' image:

    C - David Ross - $0.5MM
    C - Javier Valentin - $1.25MM
    C - Jason LaRue - $5.2MM
    1B - Scott Hatteberg - $1.5MM
    2B - Brandon Phillips - $0.33MM
    SS -
    3B - Edwin Encarnacion - $0.3325MM
    IF - Juan Castro - $0.925MM
    LF - Adam Dunn - $10.5MM
    CF - Ken Griffey Jr. - $6MM (another $6.5MM is deferred)
    RF - Ryan Freel - $1.7MM
    OF - Chris Denorfia - $0.327MM

    SP - Aaron Harang - $2.35MM
    SP - Bronson Arroyo - $3.8MM
    SP - Kyle Lohse - $4MM
    SP - Eric Milton - $9MM
    SP - Elizardo Ramirez - $0.33MM
    SP - Homer Bailey - $0.33MM

    RP - Rheal Cormier - $2.25MM
    RP - Gary Majewski - $0.352MM
    RP - Matt Belisle - $0.3435MM
    RP - Todd Coffey - $0.339MM
    RP - Bill Bray - $0.33MM
    RP - Brian Shackelford - $0.33MM
    RP - Jason Standridge - $0.33MM

    Buyouts:

    SP - Paul Wilson - $0.85MM
    IF - Rich Aurilia - $0.2MM

    Injured:

    SP - Brandon Claussen - $0.37MM (shoulder surgery August 2006)

    I have the Reds at about $54-56MM depending on arbitration raises. They entered 2006 with a $61MM payroll. So, not that much to play with unless bigger salaries like Dunn or LaRue are unloaded.

    On the catching situation: LaRue just had an awful year, basically becoming Aaron Harang's personal catcher and nothing more. He's being paid like a #1, and would like to regain his job or be traded. If the Reds eat some salary maybe the Phillies would have interest. Ross posted some surprising career bests in 250 ABs; it probably can't hold up over another 400. He's only got three years of service time so the Reds should have his rights for a while.

    With a heavy dose of right-handed pitching, Hatteberg bounced back with an .826 OPS. He'll keep the seat warm for a good price until Joey Votto is ready. Votto is one of the game's very best 1B prospects. Hatteberg seems to be Krivsky's only acknowledgement of the importance of OBP.

    Phillips certainly looks like a capable 2B and a great find by Krivsky. There's been some talk of using him at shortstop; he played the position as recently as Triple A in 2005. He only got a brief trial there in '06 with the Reds; my feeling is that he'll remain at second and the team will import a shortstop.

    Let's just hope that Castro doesn't spend too much time as the starting SS. Interestingly, the Reds asked about Miguel Tejada in July. For Tejada to fit in the payroll, I think Adam Dunn would have to be involved. I haven't heard any specific names, but some other options at short include Julio Lugo, Jack Wilson, Alex Cintron, and Alex Gonzalez. It might've been nice to have Felipe Lopez around.

    Encarnacion looks like a future star at 3B, and Rich Aurilia probably won't be around to take any starts over there. Aurilia isn't much of a starting SS, so he'll probably price himself too high for the Reds to keep him as a backup.

    The outfield is pretty well set, with Denorfia finding plenty of work when Griffey is hurt. Jerry Narron would prefer to move Freel around and play him four days a week, so Denorfia can find PT in right as well.

    The front of the rotation looks solid, with Arroyo and Harang placing #1 and #3 in innings pitched in all of baseball. 40% of the time, those guys will take a load off a weak bullpen. Lohse wasn't awful as a Red, showing decent command. You'd rather have him as your fourth starter, but that's life. The Reds only have endure one more year of the Milton Mistake.

    Ideally the Reds can work in superprospect Homer Bailey in place of the worst of Lohse, Milton, or Ramirez. Until that's sorted out a bullpen intro to the bigs wouldn't be a horrible idea. Last year's 138 pro innings was a career high for the 20 year-old phenom. If he can keep the walks down, Bailey should be very tough to score upon even as a rookie.

    The Reds hope midseason acquisitions Majewski and Bray are healthy and effective in '07. If so, it has the potential to be a decent 'pen. The Reds are still lacking that one shutdown reliever to use in the ninth inning, however. There's nothing on the closer market, so the Reds will have to hope someone can step up.

    Cincinnati has a middle-of-the-pack offense right now. A full season without Austin Kearns or Felipe Lopez plus a possible trade of Dunn could weaken it even further. The pitching looks mediocre as well, especially factoring in some regression for Arroyo. The Reds are not a bad team, but they would probably need one more good starter, an impact hitter, and a bullpen ace to be favored in the division in 2007.

    Instead of trying to compete in 2007, the Reds might be better off shooting for '08. Votto, Bailey, and other prospects will have had time to develop. Encarnacion could be a star. Milton and LaRue will be off the books. The 2008 club could be a few wise expenditures away from contention
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    Re: 2007 Cincinnati Reds

    This guy is forgetting that the Reds will bump there payroll from 61 mil. to around 75-80 million next year,so yes they do have some money to play with.So the Reds will have around 20-25 million to spend this off season.Then if they trade Dunn that will free up another 10.5 mil to spend.Also they could possible trade Milton and free up another 5 mil(if they send about 4 mil of his contract to the team they trade him to).Then Larue could also get traded and free up a little money also.He makes 5 mil. so they could pay 2.5 of it and save 2.5 mil to spend.So if these things happen with the Reds adding payroll and trading away unwanted contracts they could have around 38 million to spend and built a team.


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