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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    First of all: simulating being fouled, and worse, simulating injury is bad for football/soccer. FIFA needs to address data like this with some rule changes. I vote for using post-match replays to reveal deception. When video shows conclusive probative evidence of deception, ban the player for a game or more. The simulation will quickly dissipate.
    Second of all: I enjoy participating and viewing many sports and games. Football is the beautiful game and there is no equal to it. But Football games that end in 0-0 ties are seldom pleasing.
    When you're playing Chelsea and your squad is hovering above the relegation zone, I can't imagine many sights sweeter than the 90 minute mark and the anticipation of the referee's whistle!!
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    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

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    When you're playing Chelsea and your squad is hovering above the relegation zone, I can't imagine many sights sweeter than the 90 minute mark and the anticipation of the referee's whistle!!
    But if you're near relegation - wouldn't you hope to take 3 points from a match when you are playing well at the end of 90 minutes? Of course there are situtations when the goal is to not give up any goals, even if that means you minimize your chances at scoring them yourself. If the result is a 0-0 tie, you have achieved your goal, and a feeling of satisfaction.

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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

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    But Football games that end in 0-0 ties are seldom pleasing.
    I'm of the belief that ties in ANY sport are rarely pleasing. I disliked them when they were possible in college football, I disliked them when they were a part of hockey. I can't imagine a baseball game ending in a tie. Perhaps I'm simply too "American", but I prefer my contests to end with a clear winner and loser. Perhaps the Jackets tying the Red Wings before a packed house in Detroit was satisfying to some, but not for me.
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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    But if you're near relegation - wouldn't you hope to take 3 points from a match when you are playing well at the end of 90 minutes? Of course there are situtations when the goal is to not give up any goals, even if that means you minimize your chances at scoring them yourself. If the result is a 0-0 tie, you have achieved your goal, and a feeling of satisfaction.
    Most certainly. But if you're playing a team like Chelsea and have been under constant pressure the entire match and have had a defense bend but not break... a nil-nil draw can be just as exciting and entertaining, IMO.
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    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    See that's the other problem. Average Americans are more likely to hear "Chelsea" and see

    As long as the "best" American players are internationally mediocre and have to travel to foreign countries to "achieve", I don't think Americans will view soccer, nationally, as a viable high level sport. Our national zeitgeist is such that, perhaps as a relic of the pan-generational cold war competition with the soviets, in which our very system of life was on trial in every international competition, we have to be the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ochre View Post
    See that's the other problem. Average Americans are more likely to hear "Chelsea" and see

    As long as the "best" American players are internationally mediocre and have to travel to foreign countries to "achieve", I don't think Americans will view soccer, nationally, as a viable high level sport. Our national zeitgeist is such that, perhaps as a relic of the pan-generational cold war competition with the soviets, in which our very system of life was on trial in every international competition, we have to be the best.

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    He has matured incredibly this past year. At 17, he is maybe the most technically gifted player in MLS.

    I think you're right, Ochre. I don't think soccer will become a mainstream professional sport in America; at least not in our lifetimes.

    The required upward mobility of American talent to Europe is so important and set in stone to progress ones career both from a skill and economic viewpoint... it is next to impossible to expect anything different for a long time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

    Quote Originally Posted by ochre View Post
    See that's the other problem. Average Americans are more likely to hear "Chelsea" and see

    As long as the "best" American players are internationally mediocre and have to travel to foreign countries to "achieve", I don't think Americans will view soccer, nationally, as a viable high level sport. Our national zeitgeist is such that, perhaps as a relic of the pan-generational cold war competition with the soviets, in which our very system of life was on trial in every international competition, we have to be the best.

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    The vast majority of hockey players don't come from the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    LOL, and if we can't produce 'em, we'll import 'em!!

    Freddy Adu, Ghanian-born

    He has matured incredibly this past year. At 17, he is maybe the most technically gifted player in MLS.

    I think you're right, Ochre. I don't think soccer will become a mainstream professional sport in America; at least not in our lifetimes.

    The required upward mobility of American talent to Europe is so important and set in stone to progress ones career both from a skill and economic viewpoint... it is next to impossible to expect anything different for a long time.

    You mean like France:

    On the 2006 French national soccer team, 17 of the 23 players were members of racial minorities, including many of the most prominent players. The team features players from the overseas departments and players who are themselves immigrants or the children of immigrants from former French colonial possessions. Among them, Zinédine Zidane, William Gallas, Nicolas Anelka and Franck Ribéry are Muslims; Zidane is the child of immigrants from Algeria; Lilian Thuram, William Gallas and Thierry Henry are all of Antillean origin, the first two coming from the overseas department of Guadeloupe and Henry the child of parents born in Guadeloupe and Martinique; Anelka's parents originate from Martinique; Florent Malouda was born in French Guiana; Patrick Vieira immigrated as a child from Senegal.

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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

    Random thoughts here:

    Hey, if you're an import society, then import some sporting talent along the way. It's not like the sport of baseball wasn't built on the backs of players straight out of the immigration pool.

    Flopping sucks and FIFA ought to get tougher on it. Perhaps they could take the penalty box concept from hockey and send anyone who takes an egregious flop into it for five minutes of game time.

    In addition to the EPL, the flopping isn't so bad in La Liga (Spain), Ligue 1 (France) or Der Bundesliga (Germany) either. Italy, Portugal and Holland seem to be the homes of fall down football these days. I'm partial to La Liga -- did anyone catch that Real Madrid-Barcelona contest last weekend? That was some serious beautiful game.

    Until they start making golf a timed event with penalty laps for bogeys and time bonues for coming in under par, it won't be a sport.

    Soccer's kind of sneaking into our cultural landscape. Note the "Jose, Jose, Jose" chants of Mets fans and the drum section at A's games. My guess is in the coming years savvy sports franchises are going to encourage their fans to adopt the high energy fanaticism of soccer fans.

    MLS has become a decent league, but it's no longer the bargain it used to be in my neck of the woods. That's too bad because it affects the "bring your kids" market that the league should be courting.

    My guess is the next breakthrough moment for soccer in the U.S. will be when a U.S. player goes overseas and stars there. Thanks to Fox Soccer Channel and other channels like it, a lot of folks back here will get to see it. Maybe it will be Freddy Adu or Lee Nguyen or Clint Dempsey. It's too bad goal keepers don't grab more attention because Everton, Reading and Blackburn are all having solid seasons in the EPL in no small part thanks to American keepers. How's that for irony? The least subtle nation on the planet and the first impact players we produce in soccer play in the net. Though Bobby Convey, Brian McBride and Carlos Bocanegra are all playing well in the EPL too.
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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis View Post
    The vast majority of hockey players don't come from the U.S.
    But they come to the US to play...

    That was part of what I was getting at too, but in re-reading I obviously didn't state it explicitly. Every successful major professional sport that "works" in America crowns it's champion "World Champion". And even though there is a plurality of non-US players in Hockey, some of the very good ones are. Again, I don't think that could be said for soccer at this point. McBride, Reyna and a couple of Goalies are the only ones I can think of as having recently been affective in top tier oversees professional play.
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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Flopping sucks and FIFA ought to get tougher on it. Perhaps they could take the penalty box concept from hockey and send anyone who takes an egregious flop into it for five minutes of game time.
    Good idea but it seems to me after watching the World Cup, that being a man down isn't that much of a disadvantage. Perhaps making the flopper and one other teammate sit in a penalty box for 5 minutes would work better.
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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

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    Good idea but it seems to me after watching the World Cup, that being a man down isn't that much of a disadvantage. Perhaps making the flopper and one other teammate sit in a penalty box for 5 minutes would work better.
    Fair point. Now that I think more about it could also give the offending team what amounts to a fresh man coming off a five-minute rest.

    Though it would force a team into a defensive shell for five minutes and football don't lack for ego, they want to be on the pitch. I'm guessing having to watch the game for a spell would drive most guys crazy.
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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

    If a player goes down, and a trainer comes on the pitch, they are supposed to be taken off by stretcher and administered to on the sidelines while the game gets restarted. They can not enter the game again until the official allows them back...which is usually the first stoppage.

    But for some reason this rule stopped being enforced, and the "flopper" gets to walk of his "injury" on the field.

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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Fair point. Now that I think more about it could also give the offending team what amounts to a fresh man coming off a five-minute rest.

    Though it would force a team into a defensive shell for five minutes and football don't lack for ego, they want to be on the pitch. I'm guessing having to watch the game for a spell would drive most guys crazy.
    Now I know when there is a foul in the penalty area, the team who is fouled gets a one on one penalty kick. And when it's outside the penalty area, they get an obstructed kick where 4-5 guys stand in front of the ball with their hands protecting their family jewels. I would think the former would be too severe a penalty for flopping but what about the latter? Or what about a corner kick for the other team if you are too worried about it turning into a penalty shot contest?
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    Re: FIFA Report: 58% of all "injuries" during World Cup games were fake

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    I guess it depends on how you define "popular". In terms of media exposure, I think it ranks somewhere between the WNBA and pro paintball. Seriously, I see more paintball on ESPN than soccer. That's not a good thing.
    There is a reason why paintball on TV.... Its because last time i checked there were 7 million people playing paintball in 2000. Thats 6 years ago!! You might not like paintball for various reason but paintball is one of the fastest growing sports.
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