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    Dolf Luque in commercial for Chevy trucks

    Anyone else catch the commercial during the World Series (once in Spanish, again in English) which featured various prominent Latin Americans. The first was Dolf Luque, the great Reds pitcher (and they even mentioned him playing for the Reds!). Very interesting.

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    Yes Dolph, I saw that and I couldn't help rembering this tidbit.


    Luque was holding out and was in Cuba, due to his limited command of the english language he had a man in Cuba reply to a letter the Reds sent him.

    The guy went on to say Dolph was peeved, and that the Reds could essentially bite it. He then wrote, "These of course are mere empty words by a man with no education and that outside of his ability to pitch is the most perfect jackass."

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    I thought it was interesting they had that commercial and another Hispanic one (that slips my memory). The continual shifting population base of the US...

    They also pronunced Chevy with a "ch" and not the Anglo "sh" and "Silverado" with a real flair.

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    Dolf Luque in 1923 put together the greatest single season Reds pitching performance in history, IMO.

    Luque pitched 322.0 innings that season with a 1.93 ERA, and with the adjusted league ERA at 3.87, Luque's ERA+ was an astonishing 201, the highest single season in Reds history by a large margin (Billy Rhines is second at 183 in 1890).

    Perhaps the most amazing part of Luque's 1923 season is his home run rate. The National League that season saw 538 home runs in 11,073 innings, good for a HR/9 rate of 0.44. While home runs were nowhere near as common in the 1920s as they are today, they were on the upswing as the Ruthian power era was beginning to take off.

    Dolf Luque's HR/9 rate in 1923? Try 0.05. In 322.0 innings that season, Luque allowed only two home runs.

    Simply amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    Like a Rock.
    I always hated that slogan, too.

    "If it's like a rock, why should I give you $20,000 for it?"

    I got into a nice long discussion with a friend at Campbell-Ewald about that one and "Heartbeat of America" once. I said the first tag line was an insult to the sophistication of the cars and the other was an insult to the sophistication of the drivers.

    That's when I learned he was responsible for writing one of them. :ughmamoru
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    I always hated that slogan, too.

    "If it's like a rock, why should I give you $20,000 for it?"

    I got into a nice long discussion with a friend at Campbell-Ewald about that one and "Heartbeat of America" once. I said the first tag line was an insult to the sophistication of the cars and the other was an insult to the sophistication of the drivers.

    That's when I learned he was responsible for writing one of them. :ughmamoru
    When ever the Chevy Truck commercial came on, my brother and I used to sing along, but we would then replace "rock" with just about every word in the book that rhymed with "rock." Some of them include (without getting dirty):

    Like a Sock
    Like a Jock
    Like a Dock
    Like Mr. Spock
    Like a Mock...turtle neck
    Like a Flock...of Seagulls
    etc.
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    Re: Dolf Luque in commercial for Chevy trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Dolf Luque in 1923 put together the greatest single season Reds pitching performance in history, IMO.

    Luque pitched 322.0 innings that season with a 1.93 ERA, and with the adjusted league ERA at 3.87, Luque's ERA+ was an astonishing 201, the highest single season in Reds history by a large margin (Billy Rhines is second at 183 in 1890).

    Perhaps the most amazing part of Luque's 1923 season is his home run rate. The National League that season saw 538 home runs in 11,073 innings, good for a HR/9 rate of 0.44. While home runs were nowhere near as common in the 1920s as they are today, they were on the upswing as the Ruthian power era was beginning to take off.

    Dolf Luque's HR/9 rate in 1923? Try 0.05. In 322.0 innings that season, Luque allowed only two home runs.

    Simply amazing.

    Yeah, but Redsland Field was HUGE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Yeah, but Redsland Field was HUGE.
    In 1923 there were a total of 10 Home Runs hit at Redland, 4 by the opposition.

    In 1924 there were only 6 (3 by home and 3 by visitors)

    On the road in 1923 it was 24 for the Reds and 39 for the Home team.

    In 1921 the Reds gave up ONE HR at home the entire season.

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    Re: Dolf Luque in commercial for Chevy trucks

    I checked Luque's splits, or what few splits are available.

    He started 37 total games in 1923, 21 at home and 16 on the road. There were stretches where he started several games consecutively at home, then other stretches where he started several games consecutively on the road.

    There are splits available for Luque in 1921 and 1922, and though they're likely incomplete, what's available is interesting. He gave up 18 doubles and six triples at home during those two seasons in 313 innings, but on the road only gave up six doubles and two triples in 252 innings.

    The park overall slightly favored pitchers, but woy's HR splits combined with Luque's 2B/3B splits are fascinating. It seems that while Redland gave up few home runs, it may have made up for those lack of homers with more doubles and triples. Does that seem accurate, woy?
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    I'm pretty sure they moved HP up after the 1926 season, not that it helped, but prior to that a lot of the HR correction did occur in the triples category. The same can be said for Forbes Field. Since 1900 only 21 teams have had 100 triple seasons, 14 of those are Pirates teams and 5 are Reds squads.

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    NATIONAL LEAGUE
    CAREER
    1920-1926
    HOMERUNS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    
    DOUBLES                         DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     HR     
    1    Cardinals                   136     1873     1737      104   
    2    Phillies                     41     1782     1741      199   
    3    Cubs                        -44     1700     1744      -29   
    4    Giants                      -48     1670     1718      125   
    5    Pirates                     -97     1637     1734     -127   
    6    Dodgers                    -151     1586     1737      -67   
    7    Reds                       -181     1552     1733     -204   
    8    Braves                     -333     1415     1748     -221   
    
    TRIPLES                         DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     HR     
    1    Pirates                     163      748      585     -127   
    2    Reds                        102      685      583     -204   
    3    Cardinals                    12      597      585      104   
    4    Giants                      -44      535      579      125   
    5    Dodgers                     -48      537      585      -67   
    6    Braves                      -88      501      589     -221   
    7    Cubs                       -163      424      587      -29   
    8    Phillies                   -224      362      586      199   
    
    
    Best Seasons
    
    TRIPLES                       YEAR     DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     HR     
    1    Reds                     1926       41      120       79      -25   
    2    Pirates                  1924       39      122       83      -22   
    3    Pirates                  1923       34      111       77      -22   
    T4   Reds                     1924       28      111       83      -30   
    T4   Pirates                  1926       28      106       78      -15   
    6    Pirates                  1925       25      105       80       -5   
    7    Pirates                  1922       21      110       89      -18   
    8    Reds                     1923       16       95       79      -27   
    9    Dodgers                  1920       13       99       86       -7   
    10   Pirates                  1921       12      104       92      -26   
    
    
    
    NATIONAL LEAGUE
    SEASON
    MODERN (1900-)
    HOMERUNS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    
    TRIPLES                       YEAR     3B       HR     
    1    Pirates                  1912      129        0   
    2    Pirates                  1924      122      -22   
    3    Reds                     1926      120      -25   
    4    Pirates                  1930      119      -32   
    5    Pirates                  1929      116      -43   
    T6   Reds                     1924      111      -30   
    T6   Pirates                  1923      111      -22   
    T8   Pirates                  1922      110      -18   
    T8   Pirates                  1903      110       13   
    10   Pirates                  1926      106      -15   
    T11  Reds                     1911      105      -23   
    T11  Pirates                  1925      105       -5   
    T11  Pirates                  1911      105        6   
    14   Pirates                  1921      104      -26   
    15   Giants                   1911      103        0   
    16   Pirates                  1904      102       -8   
    T17  Cubs                     1911      101       11   
    T17  Reds                     1905      101        2   
    T19  Braves                   1921      100       -1   
    T19  Pirates                  1928      100      -29   
    T19  Pirates                  1900      100       -8   
    T19  Reds                     1917      100       -1

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    Re: Dolf Luque in commercial for Chevy trucks

    That definitely sounds reasonable then with a good chunk of the HR correction coming from triples.

    All this is semi-related to a slightly different topic I've always been very curious about, and that is wondering how many home runs during the first three decades of the 20th century were actually inside-the-park home runs rather than your classic fence-clearing blasts.
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    Re: Dolf Luque in commercial for Chevy trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    That definitely sounds reasonable then with a good chunk of the HR correction coming from triples.

    All this is semi-related to a slightly different topic I've always been very curious about, and that is wondering how many home runs during the first three decades of the 20th century were actually inside-the-park home runs rather than your classic fence-clearing blasts.
    The first over the fence HR at Redland was in 1921, the first at Braves was I think in 1925. At many parks prior to the cork centered ball in 1911 the task was considered impossible.

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    Re: Dolf Luque in commercial for Chevy trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    The first over the fence HR at Redland was in 1921, the first at Braves was I think in 1925. At many parks prior to the cork centered ball in 1911 the task was considered impossible.
    Heh, funny how I mentioned that before even a quick search, which I just did. Baseball Almanac has apparently put together various inside-the-park home run lists. According to them, Sam Crawford is the MLB all-time leader in inside-the-park home runs with 51 (13 in the NL and 38 in the AL), Tommy Leach is the NL all-time leader with 49, and Ty Cobb is the AL all-time leader with 46.

    Leach only hit 63 career home runs period, which means he apparently cleared the fence only 14 times. Cobb's 117 total home runs means he cleared the fence 71 times. Since Crawford is also the all-time triples leader, I'm not surprised to see him up there with his inside-the-park home run total. His 97 total home runs means that he cleared the fence 46 times.

    They've got 23 players listed with 20 or more inside-the-park home runs, most of them Hall of Famers, and the others all pretty good hitters. They've got Edd Roush listed with 30 inside-the-park homers, which means Roush cleared the fence 38 times in his career.

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/recbooks/rb_isphr.shtml

    Maybe if I get a chance I'll go through all 23 of those players listed and compare their inside-the-park home run total to their actual home run total.
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