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    Re: Bengals vs. Falcons

    Getting a dome team outside can only help the Bengals....

    We shall see what we shall see...

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    Re: Bengals vs. Falcons

    Bengals-Falcons notes of note
    Stuff I've taken from Bengals/Falcons team notes and/or figured on my own
    Playing the percentages: Both teams are 4-2. Since 1990 64% of teams starting 4-2 made the playoffs. 77% of teams starting 5-2 made the playoffs.
    Series: Bengals lead series 7-3...their .700 winning percentage is tied for their 2nd best of any series of five or more games....Philly (7-3).....their 5-2 (.714) vs Giants is best.
    Rush to judgment: Falcons top the NFL in rushing yards with 222.2 per game, nearly 70 more than any other team. They could become the first team to average more than 200 rushing yards over a full season since the Bears averaged 200.8 in 1977. Falcons have outrushed their opponents by 742 yards this year...an average of 123.6 more per game.
    Tag Team: Falcons are only team in NFL with two players ranked in top 20 in rushing....Dunn/Vick
    AFC/NFC: Falcons have won 7 of 9 vs. AFC under head coach Jim Mora. Bengals are a perfect 7-0 at home vs. NFC under Marvin Lewis. Bengals are 19-7 vs NFC dating back to 1993. Bengals have won nine straight home games vs NFC teams
    Road block?: Vick has no rushing TDs in his last 22 road games.
    Sack attack: Robert Geathers has six sacks this season, after recording just 6.5 in his first two NFL seasons. Geathers and Justin Smith each have 6 sacks....and are on pace for 16. The last pair of double digit sackers for the Bengals wer Reggie Williams (11) and Eddie Edwards (10) in 1981.
    Anyone for a foot race?: Michael Vick has 3261 career rushing yards, Carson Palmer has 100.
    Zoning in: Bengals have scored on all 16 red-zone possessions....and are #3 in NFL with TD's 62.5% of the time. The Falcons are last in the NFL with a TD percentage of just 27%
    Mirror images: Points scored...Bengals 21.3/Falcons 20.7, points allowed...Bengals 18.8/Falcons 17.8
    Opposite ends: Falcons rushing yards per game 222 (1st) Falcons passing yds per game 132 (32nd)
    Under the radar: Kyle Larson is +8 this year in punts inside the 20 vs touchbacks.....12 punts inside the 20 vs 4 touchbacks.....3rd in the NFL
    Wearing it well: Bengals will wear black jerseys and black pants Sunday. They are 4-2 in that combo.
    Memories: Last weeking between the two...Sept 22, 2002...at Georgia Dome on ESPN Sunday night football. 30-3 Falcons. Gus Ferotte started 0-7 passing and was replaced by Jon Kitna.
    Star studded: Falcons have 12 pro bowlers on their roster......tied for 3rd most in the NFL behind Baltimore/St Louis 14.
    Need one?: Bengals have converted 6 of 7 third and one situations this year, tied for best in NFL
    Big play: Falcons lead the NFL in rushes of 20+ yards (13) and 10+ yards (41)
    Super Man: Vick has 21 rushes of +10 yards...2nd best in NFL behind Tiki Barber (22)
    Moving chains: 54% of Vick's rushes this year have gone for a first down...tops in the NFL. 43% of his rushes since 2004 have gone for a first down...tops in the NFL.
    Hmmmm: Vick's winning percentage of .623 is higher than Brett Favre's .621
    Discipline: Falcons are the 5th least penalized team in NFL
    Hey Ocho!: DeAngelo Hall has 11 picks in his last 22 games
    Old Man River: 46-year old Morton Anderson has 32 game winning FG's in his career. He has played in 358 games...most in NFL history. He was a 4th round pick of the Saints in 1982. He has scored in 332 straight games, breaking the previous record of 186 set by Jim Breech. He's the 2nd oldest player ever (George Blanda 48)
    Special special teams: Falcons average drive start after kickoff is 34.2 yard line, 2nd in NFL.....their opponents average drive start after kickoff is 25.1.....worst in NFL.
    Airing it where?: Vick has one game of +200 yards passing this year...140,92,137,153,154,232

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    Re: Bengals vs. Falcons

    Chris Henry will play this week, but Chatman is not gone for the season.


    Henry to play with Chatman on IR
    By GEOFF HOBSON
    October 27, 2006

    For the second straight Friday the Bengals put a wide receiver on season-ending injured reserve when Antonio Chatman was lost for the year and activated Chris Henry to take his place on the 53-man roster.

    Head coach Marvin Lewis said Henry is going to play Sunday against the Falcons with Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh his only other healthy veterans. Chatman and Tab Perry (hip) are out for the year and Kelley Washington (hamstring) is out for the second straight game.

    Lewis said rookie defensive back Ethan Kilmer, a wide receiver at Penn State, has been taking snaps at wideout for the past two weeks.

    But there are no indications the Bengals are going to sign Peter Warrick before a game in which he couldn’t have played even if he’d joined the club Wednesday. Reached after the Bengals practiced Friday, Drew Rosenhaus, Warrick's agent, said the club told him Thursday night they are holding off at the moment.

    "They said they're going a week at a time with Peter," Rosenhaus said. "Peter is going to stay in shape and we hope we get that opportunity."

    The Bengals also lose another receiver if they again make rookie Reggie McNeal the third quarterback for the third straight week. Glenn Holt, a free agent rookie from Kentucky looks like he’ll be suited up for the second straight game after coming off the practice squad.

    Running back Chris Perry can also line up some at wide receiver.

    Chatman, who came over from Green Bay in free agency, has never been right since he pulled a muscle in his groin/abdominal area on the first weekend of training camp. He hardly ever practiced and played in one preseasn game before making his regular season Bengals debut in Week 4 against the Patriots.

    He caught a big third-down pass last week before finishing the year with just three catches for 22 yards.

    But he also returned punts and kicks, duties that appear now fall to Keiwan Ratliff and Kenny Watson, respectively.

    Henry has missed the last three games, the last two because of a suspension for violating a variety of NFL policies. Henry missed the Oct. 1 loss to New England when Lewis chose not to dress him after he was in the same car when linebacker Odell Thurman was arrested for a DUI.

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    It's like watching paint dry in having the Bengals put players on IR and sign someone other than their own drafted players to replace the injured ones.

    YOu have 3 healthy WR's.....and 1 of them could be suspended again at any time....yet you choose not to get anyone else?

    Same with DB's.........Charles Woodson would not have helped?
    Please? I mean....no Ratliff and the always injured Greg Brooks will be fine.

    Just sign a WR to help or you could find yourself with 2 WR after the game is done.

    AND next year.....please sign a Center who stay healthy and quit depending on Braham to stay that way.

    Might as well sign Blair Bush....if you are going to re-sign an injury prone Center.... who the team seems to be .....way too over dependent on to keep the OL together and working cohesively.

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    Re: Bengals vs. Falcons

    Don't forget Palmer in Vick matchup

    By GEOFF HOBSON
    October 27, 2006

    Posted: 3:50 p.m.


    Palmer has posted an impressive 90.9 passer rating in '06. (Bengals photo)
    This week it’s been Michael Vick this and Michael Vick that. He may be faster than a locomotive, but not that as fast as the media fascination. But certainly fast enough to somehow reduce Carson Palmer to a footnote this week.

    Carson Palmer? Here’s a guy that makes playing NFL quarterback look so easy that he’s having a Pro Bowl season and people are murmuring if he’s OK.

    It looks like Palmer, coming off the best passing season in Bengals history, is so good, he’s spoiled us. He may not be as laser sharp as he was last season, but here’s a guy who has still completed 62 percent of his passes, has thrown 117 straight passes without an interception, has thrown twice as many touchdown as interceptions, and has a 90.9 passer rating, which would be the ninth best in club history.

    (And, by the way, is about 17 points better than Mike Vick.)

    Heck, maybe he’s spoiled himself.

    “I’m doing everything I can to get back to where I was and working in that direction,” said Palmer flatly when asked earlier this week to critique his season.

    CARSON PALMER 2006 VS. 2005 (First 6 Games)
    Season Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD Int Sacked Rating
    2005 197 143 1573 72.6 7.98 13 2 8 113.1
    2006 196 122 1418 62.2 7.23 9 4 19 90.9

    Here’s a guy that hasn’t had the same offensive line for two full games. Here’s a guy that has had his third-down back for just one game, hasn’t had his third receiver for the last three games and has already been sacked as many times as he was all last year with 19.

    Let’s see. That’s two more touchdowns, one more yard per pass, and more than 500 yards passing than Vick.

    And if Vick has the sixth best winning percentage of active quarterbacks with at least 25 starts at .623 (35-21), Palmer is looming at .600 (21-14).

    “When I go to other places,” said national television analyst Solomon Wilcots, “the first guy they want to talk about on the Bengals is Carson Palmer.”

    And, oh yeah, he had a major medical procedure over the offseason when he underwent the pro athlete’s version of a heart transplant with reconstructive left knee surgery.

    “Before he got hurt, he was rivaling Peyton Manning,” said one NFL director of pro personnel this week. “It’s going to take time. But he’s still one of the top five quarterbacks in the league right now.”

    Dave Lapham has seen the best passing seasons ever here as an offensive lineman and currently as the club’s radio analyst, including Palmer’s 101.1 of last season, Ken Anderson’s 98.4 of 1981 and Boomer Esiason’s 97.4 of 1988, and this one isn’t too shabby.

    “I agree with him that he isn’t where he thinks he needs to be, but he’s still been excellent,” Lapham said. “Anything you do in sports, I don’t care what it is, hitting a baseball, throwing a football, you need your legs, and I don’t think there’s any question that he’s still at times trying to get them underneath him. I think in the last five or six games or so, you’ll see him back to where he was. He’s close, but not there.”

    Of course, there were a lot of reasons he was off the charts through the first six games last season (there is only a pass attempt difference this year) with 13 touchdown passes, just two interceptions and a ridiculous 72.6 passing percentage.

    There was only one missed game on the offensive line (center Rich Braham against Jacksonville), two among the top receivers and running backs (T.J. Houshmandzadeh against Jacksonville and Tennessee), and four of those games came against defenses that finished last season 16th or lower in the NFL’s defensive rankings.

    This season he’s hitting just 62 percent of his passes and his yards per attempt is down by more than half a yard.

    But he’s had five different offensive lines with the jarring loss of Braham and among his top three receivers and top two running backs there have been 10 games missed because of injuries, suspension, or discipline.

    And the Bengals have already played three of the league’s top four defenses from last season’s rankings.


    Palmer
    “Every year is different,” Palmer said. “Teams play you differently, we’re playing different defenses and, yeah, we played some weaker ones last year compared to this season. I say it all the time. You can’t always throw for 300 yards or even 200 yards.”

    Of course, what he won’t say is that he’s coming off the most grueling rehab in football. If you get him in a weak moment, he’ll admit he’s still coping. On Friday he said he’s probably around 90 percent in a comeback that has amazed even his teammates.

    “I respected him before, but to see him come back and be so strong is just unbelievable,” said tight end Tony Stewart.

    Quarterbacks coach Ken Zampese has been amazed at Palmer's bullet-proof psyche that has matched his physical endurance.

    “Just mental toughness,” Zampese said. “He hasn’t had an offseason. And he’s taken all the crap that keeps coming. Losing Richie. His receivers. He’s just kept going. It bothers him, but he’s able to stay composed.”

    Zampese is the keeper of the fundamentals and it all begins and ends with the feet, and the feet begin and end with the leg.

    Footwork.

    It is Palmer’s left leg, the front leg, and that’s the one that Palmer has to make sure he follows through on for accuracy.

    “Footwork is the building blocks of throwing straight,” Zampese said. “It’s something you stay on top of and when it falls off you have to get back on it. The thing with Carson is that he’s so conscientious that when he needs improvement on something it becomes a point of emphasis and it goes away. The footwork is getting better every day.”

    The two of them struggled with it in training camp as Palmer burned the candle at both ends with rehab and football. But he had come such a long way with it that two weeks ago Zampese said he highlighted the improvement on his grease board.

    “The legs are your foundation,” Palmer said. “It’s where you get your accuracy, your balance, your ball speed. I’m getting there. It will get there eventually.”

    There is also the decision making. Zampese harps on it daily.

    “Even before he got hurt it’s something we always tried to improve,” Zampese said. “Where to throw it. When. Why we’re throwing it there. I don’t think both of us will ever be satisfied, but we keep working at it.”


    Zampese
    With the offense struggling, Zampese has noticed that Palmer, at times, is anxious to make a play, and that can leak out in various ways. Earlier in the season he was holding on the ball waiting for better options and he was getting sacked and stripped.

    With the line play improving and Palmer making it a point of emphasis, it hasn’t happened lately. But it can be other things, too. Last week he had running back Chris Perry open in the flat, but he waited and then threw it too far to the sideline.

    “He’s got to stay on Chris there,” Zampese said. “He looked off for something else and by the time he got back to him, it was panic time because he was running out of room on the sidelines.”

    But here’s a guy whose last interception came in the second half against Pittsburgh more than a month ago. Only four picks in 196 throws are a big reason this team is 4-2 and have scored points on all 16 trips in the red zone.

    Just ask Jake Delhomme.

    “It’s expectations,” said an interested observer before Friday’s practice. “Off of what he did last year, and with the offense struggling at times this year, he set a very high standard.”

    Troy Aikman, in town to analyze the game for Fox, is Palmer’s boyhood hero. When he read that Palmer used to go to Cowboys training camp to watch him, Aikman dropped him notes when he got drafted and when he got hurt.

    “The first time I met him is just now in the locker room,” Aikman said. “I haven’t seen any tape of him yet. I’ll watch it today and tomorrow. I haven’t seen him play live yet; it’s a big reason I’ve been looking forward to doing this game.”

    He may see something familiar. Palmer has been compared to the tall, unflappable Aikman ever since he was at USC. Aikman got a scouting report from former Cowboys teammate Daryl Johnston, the Fox analyst last week for the Bengals’ win over Carolina.

    " I saw Daryl Wednesday morning and asked him a few things about Cincinnati,” Aikman said. “I asked him how Carson was and he said, 'Carson was great. I thought I was talking to you when we were sitting in there in the production meeting.' ”

    On the outside looking in, Aikman has a pretty good view.

    ”Nothing wrong with 62 percent,” he said. “That’s for sure.”
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    just let me say...the officiating has been horrific in this game.
    For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.

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    Frankly, the officiating is the least of this team's worries.
    This team is getting to be brutal to watch.

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    Yes, the offense should be embarassed, but the defense should be more embarassed. The Falcons have scored on all but one possession (except for the end of the half), and Vick has done anything he wanted.

    They'll be 4-4 after next week's loss to Baltimore, and the playoff chances will begin to get slimmer. I kept my word and didn't watch last week's game. I wish I had extended it by another week.

    Who still believes that this team will make the playoffs? What are you seeing that makes you believe that?

    Help stamp out, eliminate, and do away with redundancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCinatit View Post
    Frankly, the officiating is the least of this team's worries.
    This team is getting to be brutal to watch.
    I agree. But the officiating has been bad.
    For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.

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    Re: Bengals vs. Falcons

    But there is good news...and no, it's not about my car insurance. The good news is...Vick and Crumpler are on my fantasy team.
    For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCinatit View Post
    Frankly, the officiating is the least of this team's worries.
    This team is getting to be brutal to watch.
    What in the world are you talking about? The Bengals played a good game, the Falcons played a little bit better today. That was a heckuva football game, and both teams got the benefit of a cheesy roughing the QB call. The better team won today, Vick played a nearly flawless game and won by a field goal. Two playoff caliber teams squared off and the Bengals came up just a little bit short.

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    I'm not sure what folks expect when watching an NFL football game, I really don't. Each year, there are a few teams that can manage to regularly stomp the competition, then there are a dozen teams that are pretty much even. We are still one of the dozen or so teams. Winning in the NFL is hard, home or away, and when you make the playoffs, the NFL makes it very hard the following year with their scheduling formula. I've been watching some good NFL football games this year when the Bengals play and its been enjoyable. After the 90s, complaining even after a loss in a good football game just seems like vanity at this point.

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    Re: Bengals vs. Falcons

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    What in the world are you talking about? The Bengals played a good game, the Falcons played a little bit better today. That was a heckuva football game, and both teams got the benefit of a cheesy roughing the QB call. The better team won today, Vick played a nearly flawless game and won by a field goal. Two playoff caliber teams squared off and the Bengals came up just a little bit short.
    They had no business losing to that team. They played a crappy, soft zone all day. They gave Vick all year to throw. He burnt them like any NFL QB would have. Bad defensive gameplan, and no adjustments.

    Let me be the first to say it, Bresnahan needs to go. Like tomorrow.
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    I can't believe Crumpler made the same catch across the middle over and over and over... Jeez, I thought I was watching an instant replay...

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    Re: Bengals vs. Falcons

    Watching via stat tracker purely with fantasy football interests, what happened to Rudi?

    Only 12 carries? Looked like he was off to a pretty good start and they just quit giving him the ball.

    What happened?


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