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    2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    I can't believe I haven't seen this posted yet ...

    Full American League Rankings
    Full National League Rankings

    Below is a chart of the current declared FA's and their Elias rankings as posted on SOSH ... http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=12615

    All currently declared FA's and their rankings based on Elias.

    A=Type A
    B=Type B
    C=Type C
    X= Lower ranked then Type C
    NR=Not ranked by Elias



    AMERICAN LEAGUE
    ===============

    Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
    -----------------------------
    Darin Erstad, OF X
    Adam Kennedy, 2B B
    J.C. Romero, LHP X


    Baltimore Orioles
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    Bruce Chen, LHP X
    Chris Gomez, SS C
    LaTroy Hawkins, RHP B
    Kevin Millar, 1B A
    Russ Ortiz, RHP X
    Chris Widger, C X


    Boston Red Sox
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    Alex Cora, SS X
    Alex Gonzalez, SS B
    Gabe Kapler, OF X
    Mark Loretta, 2B A
    Doug Mirabelli, C X
    Trot Nixon, OF B


    Chicago White Sox
    -----------------
    Sandy Alomar, C X
    Jeff Nelson, RHP X
    David Riske, RHP A



    Cleveland Indians
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    Aaron Boone, 3B X
    Lou Merloni, 2B NR


    Detroit Tigers
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    Sean Casey, 1B A
    Matt Stairs, OF C
    Jamie Walker, LHP B


    Kansas City Royals
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    Paul Bako, C X
    Doug Mientkiewicz, 1B C


    Minnesota Twins
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    Phil Nevin, 1B X
    Shannon Stewart, OF C
    Rondell White, DH X


    New York Yankees
    ----------------
    Miguel Cairo, IF X
    Octavio Dotel, RHP X
    Tanyon Sturtze, RHP X
    Ron Villone, LHP B
    Bernie Williams, OF C
    Craig Wilson, 1B C


    Oakland Athletics
    -----------------
    Jay Payton, OF B
    Frank Thomas, DH B
    Barry Zito, LHP A


    Seattle Mariners
    ----------------
    Gil Meche, RHP B


    Tampa Bay Devil Rays
    --------------------
    Tomas O. Perez, 3B X


    Texas Rangers
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    Rod Barajas, C B
    Mark De Rosa, OF B
    Adam Eaton, RHP C
    Carlos Lee, OF A
    Gary Matthews Jr., OF A
    Vicente Padilla, RHP B
    Eric Young, 2B X


    Toronto Blue Jays
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    Frank Catalanotto, OF A
    Ted Lilly, LHP B
    Bengie Molina, C A
    Justin Speier, RHP A
    Gregg Zaun, C B



    NATIONAL LEAGUE
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    Arizona Diamondbacks
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    Miguel Batista, RHP B
    Craig Counsell, SS B
    Damion Easley, SS X
    Luis Gonzalez, 1B A
    Brian Jordan, OF X


    Atlanta Braves
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    Danys Baez, RHP A
    Todd Pratt, C X
    John C. Thomson, RHP X
    Daryle Ward, 1B X


    Chicago Cubs
    ------------
    Henry Blanco, C C
    John S. Mabry, 1B X
    Wade Miller, RHP X
    Juan Pierre, OF B
    Aramis Ramirez, 3B A
    Kerry Wood, RHP X


    Cincinnati Reds
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    Rich Aurilia, 3B A
    Royce Clayton, SS C
    Ryan Franklin, RHP C
    Eddie Guardado, LHP A
    Todd Hollandsworth, OF X
    Jason Johnson, RHP NR
    Scott Schoeneweis, LHP B
    Dave Weathers, RHP A
    *-Paul Wilson, RHP X


    Colorado Rockies
    ----------------
    *-Ray King, LHP X
    Tom Martin, LHP X
    Kaz Matsui, 2B X


    Florida Marlins
    ---------------
    Joe Borowski, RHP A
    Wes Helms, 3B X
    Matt Herges, RHP X
    Brian Moehler, RHP X


    Houston Astros
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    Aubrey Huff, 3B A
    Russ Springer, RHP A



    Los Angeles Dodgers
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    Einar Diaz, C NR
    *-Eric Gagne, RHP A
    Nomar Garciaparra, 1B B
    Julio Lugo, SS A
    Greg Maddux, RHP A
    Ramon E. Martinez, RHP X
    Aaron Sele, RHP X


    Milwaukee Brewers
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    David Bell, 3B C
    Jeff Cirillo, 3B X
    Tony Graffanino, 2B A
    Rick Helling, RHP B
    Daniel Kolb, RHP X
    Tomo Ohka, RHP B


    New York Mets
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    Chad Bradford, RHP A
    Cliff Floyd, OF A
    Orlando Hernandez, RHP B
    Roberto Hernandez, RHP A
    *-Yusaku Iriki, RHP NR
    Ricky Ledee, OF NR
    Guillermo Mota, RHP B
    Darren Oliver, LHP B
    Steve Trachsel, RHP C
    Michael Tucker, OF X
    Jose Valentin, 2B B
    Chris Woodward, 2B X


    Philadelphia Phillies
    ---------------------
    Aaron Fultz, LHP A

    Jose A. Hernandez, SS X
    Mike Lieberthal, C A
    Arthur Rhodes, LHP B
    Rick White, RHP C
    Randy Wolf, LHP C


    Pittsburgh Pirates
    ------------------
    Joe Randa, 3B C



    St. Louis Cardinals
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    Ron Belliard, 2B A
    Gary Bennett, C X
    Jason Marquis, RHP B
    Scott Spiezio, 3B X
    Jose Vizcaino, SS X
    Jeff Weaver, RHP B


    San Diego Padres
    ----------------
    Geoff Blum, 3B X
    Doug Brocail, RHP X
    Alan Embree, LHP B
    Shawn Estes, LHP X
    Chan Ho Park, RHP B
    David Roberts, OF A
    Rudy Seanez, RHP A
    Todd Walker, 2B A
    Woody Williams, RHP A



    San Francisco Giants
    --------------------
    Moises Alou, OF A
    Barry Bonds, OF A
    Ray Durham, 2B A

    Todd Greene, C X
    Shea Hillenbrand, 1B B
    Steve Kline, LHP C
    Jason Schmidt, RHP A
    Mike Stanton, LHP B


    Washington Nationals
    --------------------
    Tony Armas Jr, RHP C
    Robert Fick, C X
    Jose Guillen, OF B
    Alfonso Soriano, OF A

    * -- Provisional election pending resolution of club option on
    player's contract
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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    a lot of those type As have no chance of moving unless they are not offered arbitration.
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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    from the looks of it then we should be getting quite a few extra draft picks next year.

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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaknb8k View Post
    from the looks of it then we should be getting quite a few extra draft picks next year.
    ... I wouldn't be expecting to get draft picks for a guy like Weathers. It will be interesting to see if the Reds offer arbitration(I doubt they will).
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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    wow, we could be getting some steals. Guardado!? Ha. Good stuff. These rankings are some have the most misearable ranking system I've seen.

    Frank Thomas is a B and Weathers is an A. FT did nothing in 05 so the A's get punished for it. Nice.
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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    I'd offer Aurilia and Weathers arbitration.
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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    Ok like in a totally dream scenario . Since i am sorta in a spiccoli kinda mind right now (*beer*) How cool would it be if we lost all these dudes and yet had offered them arbitration. Talk about a nuclear jolt to our minor prospects that would be!
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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    especially since the 07 draft is supposed to be a very strong class Topcat!
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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I'd offer Aurilia and Weathers arbitration.
    My thought as well. Neither made a ton last year so the award shouldn't be huge. Although the award for Weathers could be a little steep if he is viewed as a closer by the guy making the decision on the award. Its only a year and its signing for multiple years that is the rub with those guys.

    I wouldn't touch the rest with a 10 foot pole.

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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I'd offer Aurilia and Weathers arbitration.
    I'd agree here. With Guardado's surgery, I'm not sure we can afford to risk offering arbitration. They may try to get an incentive laden contract beforehand.

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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    What likely price tags are Aurillia, Weathers and Schoeneweis going to carry?
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I'd offer Aurilia and Weathers arbitration.
    In the case of Weathers that could mean an arbitration hearing that could net him potentially $3-4M. As long as the Reds are comfortable with that there is no reason not to.
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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    How exactly does the arbitration work?

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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaknb8k View Post
    How exactly does the arbitration work?
    Fairly simple version -- If the player accepts, then player and team are stuck with what ever the arbitrator decides is a fair salary.

    If the player declines, player is a free agent and team receives compensatory pick if/when he signs with another team.

    I'm sure other people can explain it better.
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    Re: 2006 Elias Compensation Rankings

    I'd offer Aurilia and Weathers arbitration.
    For me, it's Aurilia and Schoeneweis. SS is a no-brainer -- he's a B, meaning the signing team sacrifices no picks (change in the rules, effective this year). The Reds will get a sandwich pick after the first round for him -- nice. If there are no takers -- unlikely, since he's a healthy lefty who pitched well down the stretch -- he'll be back for relatively little, and I think he'd help the pen. Weathers is problematic -- he's got a ton of saves for a guy of his ability, so I think his salary will be inflated, and the fact that he's an A, requiring the signing team to sacrifice either a 1st or 2nd, makes his market uncertain, I think, if he's offered arbitration. I don't think I'd want him back at a big #, and I wouldn't want to see a two-year deal offered him as a way of reducing the 07 salary, either. He had arm issues last year, and he's old.

    Aurilia had such a good year that I think someone will want him. I'm pretty sure San Fran will bite, because their first pick is protected, and there's a good chance they'll be getting comp picks of their own for Durham and Schmidt.
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