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  • Dick Allen

    12 34.29%
  • Jake Beckley

    3 8.57%
  • Jim Bottomley

    2 5.71%
  • Dan Brouthers

    14 40.00%
  • Tank Carr

    1 2.86%
  • Norm Cash

    2 5.71%
  • Orlando Cepeda

    17 48.57%
  • Frank Chance

    4 11.43%
  • Will Clark

    9 25.71%
  • Roger Connor

    10 28.57%
  • Luke Easter

    2 5.71%
  • Steve Garvey

    9 25.71%
  • Keith Hernandez

    2 5.71%
  • Gil Hodges

    4 11.43%
  • Ted Kluszewski

    13 37.14%
  • Buck Leonard

    10 28.57%
  • Don Mattingly

    7 20.00%
  • Lee May

    1 2.86%
  • Mark McGwire

    7 20.00%
  • Buck O'Neill

    17 48.57%
  • Boog Powell

    0 0%
  • George Sisler

    15 42.86%
  • Mule Suttles

    9 25.71%
  • Ben Taylor

    3 8.57%
  • Bill Terry

    13 37.14%
  • Mickey Vernon

    1 2.86%
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Thread: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - First Basemen

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    RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - First Basemen

    RedsZone Hall of Fame Catchers Poll is open until November 12th, 2006.

    Vote for all FIRST BASEMEN you believe should be in the Hall of Fame. This is a multiple-choice poll so you're allowed to vote for more than one player.

    For reference purposes: Major League Baseball Hall of Fame First Basemen

    Previously Elected First Basemen: Cap Anson, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Harmon Killebrew, Willie McCovey, Johnny Mize, Eddie Murray, and Tony Perez

    Dropped From Ballot: Joe Adcock, Bill Buckner, Dolph Camilli, Phil Cavaretta, Chris Chambliss, Cecil Cooper, Jake Daubert, Harry Davis, Ron Fairly, Elbie Fletcher, Jack Fournier, Mike Hargrove, Kent Hrbek, Joe Judge, George Kelly, Ed Konetchy, Joe Kuhel, John Mayberry, Frank McCormick, Stuffy McInnis, George Scott, Roy Sievers, Fred Tenney, Hal Trosky, Bob Watson, Bill White, and Rudy York

    Players from earlier eras may be lesser known among some RedsZone voters, but in the efforts of encouraging everybody to vote while also maintaining a somewhat level playing field for all eligible candidates, we've instituted a tier system for support needed to gain election ...
    • Negro Leaguers: Need 3/8 support
    • 19th century (i.e. pre 1903): Need 2/5 support
    • Early Modern (roughly 1903-1945): Need 1/2 support
    • Integration (roughly 1945-1970): Need 5/8 support
    • Post Integration (roughly 1970-present): Need 2/3 support

    The charts below are win shares data for all candidates. In order from left to right, the columns are career win shares, five-year peak win shares, win shares per 162 games, win shares during a player's top season and the predominant era each player played in (for purposes of the tier voting system). Happy voting!
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    Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
    Dick Allen          342        170       31.68         41       Integration
    Jake Beckley        318         97       21.59         23       19th Century
    Jim Bottomley       258        127       20.99         30       Early Modern to WWII
    Dan Brouthers       355        138       34.38         34       19th Century
    Tank Carr           --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Norm Cash           315        130       24.43         42       Integration
    Orlando Cepeda      310        130       23.64         34       Integration
    Frank Chance        237        143       29.86         35       Early Modern to WWII
    Will Clark          330        168       27.05         44       Post Integration
    Roger Connor        363        145       29.45         36       19th Century
    Luke Easter         --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Steve Garvey        279        124       19.38         27       Post Integration
    Keith Hernandez     311        136       24.13         33       Post Integration
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    Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
    Gil Hodges          263        129       20.57         29       Integration
    Ted Kluszewski      203        125       19.14         33       Integration
    Buck Leonard        --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Don Mattingly       263        145       23.87         34       Post Integration
    Lee May             215        108       16.82         26       Post Integration
    Mark McGwire        342        159       29.56         41       Post Integration
    Buck O'Neill        --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Boog Powell         282        116       22.37         31       Integration
    George Sisler       292        135       23.02         33       Early Modern to WWII
    Mule Suttles        --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Ben Taylor          --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Bill Terry          278        142       26.17         32       Early Modern to WWII
    Mickey Vernon*      296        112       19.91         33       Integration
    
    * Missed playing time due to WWII
    Last edited by Cyclone792; 11-05-2006 at 10:27 PM.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - First Basemen

    A lot of "maybes" and borderline guys on that list IMO.
    I'm just not familiar enough with most of the Negro League stars to evaluate their qualifications.
    Tony Perez is in the HOF, and I'm glad, but if you think Perez belongs in the HOF then you have to vote for Orlando Cepeda. The Big Dog and The Baby Bull were almost direct contemporaries, playing the same position in the same league, and I can't see any significant edge to Perez in a statistical comparsion.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - First Basemen

    Voted for Leonard, Suttles, and Terry.

    BTW, I can't fault anyone for voting for either Buck, but if you vote for O'Neill and leave Leonard off you're giving O'Neill a lot of credit for his post-playing career and his admittedly wonderful personality. Strictly as a player. Leonard was the better of the two; he just made the mistake of not living longer.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - First Basemen

    Dan Brouthers and Roger Connor, if you don't know who they are, take a few minutes to find out. No HOF is complete without them.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - First Basemen

    I voted for:

    Allen, Brouthers, Cepeda, Clark, Connor, Leonard, O'Neill, Sisler, and Terry.


    There are a lot of interesting "maybes" on this list. I considered Norm Cash, whose career win shares numbers look very good. However, his numbers are skewed by his monster 1961 season. McGwire would have been a near-automatic choice, but the spectre of steroids hangs over him. I also wanted to give a sentimental vote to Kluszewski, but I just couldn't do it.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - First Basemen

    This poll closes in three days so if you haven't voted yet, there's still a little bit of time left to do so.

    Brouthers, Connor, Leonard and Suttles were easy choices for me to vote for. Brouthers and Connor were two of the greatest 19th century hitters that played, and Leonard and Suttles were two of the greatest Negro League hitters that played.

    Leonard was probably the greatest Negro League first baseman ever, and Suttles was also a corner outfielder. If one were to create an all-time Negro League time, both those guys would likely be starting on it.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - First Basemen

    Hey, I know we're Reds fans around here, but voting for Klu and omitting Brouthers, Connor, Leonard and Suttles is impossible to defend.

    Brouthers is right on the cusp. A few votes would put him over the top. The others would need a more significant rally to make the cut, but at least we could recognize one of the best hitters of all-time here. And that's not hyperbole. For those of you who aren't familiar with Brouthers, take a gander at his resume:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/broutda01.shtml

    Plus, he played for the Reds in 1890 (the Boston Reds, but still the team was called the Reds and that's got to be worth something).
    Last edited by M2; 11-16-2006 at 12:57 PM.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - First Basemen

    This ballot is closed, and two more first basemen have been elected this season. Buck O'Neill becomes the second Negro Leaguer to be enshrined into the RedsZone Hall of Fame with 48.57 percent of the vote, and Dan Brouthers has a late rally push him into the Hall of Fame with exactly 40 percent of the vote.

    This brings the total number of first basemen elected to the RedsZone Hall of Fame to 11:
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    First Basemen (11)
                    
    Cap Anson
    Dan Brouthers            
    Jimmie Foxx           
    Lou Gehrig
    Hank Greenberg        
    Harmon Killebrew      
    Willie McCovey        
    JOhnny Mize           
    Eddie Murray
    Buck O'Neill          
    Tony Perez
    The Second Basemen ballot is still open until the end of November, and the third basemen ballot will be posted in the next few days.
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