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    Those Stats at the Bottom of the Screen

    On August 26th, 1939 the Reds took the field against the Dodgers in a doubleheader. Calling the game was radio announcer Red Barber, also at the game were two cameras, as the game was broadcast over the airwaves making it the first major league game broadcast on TV. If we were to see the game today we would notice that when each batter stepped to the plate, the game was void of graphics, missing was the standard scroll at the bottom that informs the viewer of the batters current batting skills.

    My, my, my how things have changed.

    Looking around the game today you can see that the same basic stats that grace the back of our baseball cards that lie in the darkness in our basements (or perhaps your parents basement) still find their way into our baseball world and nowhere is it more prevalent than on all the games we watch on the tube.

    Since the so called "Moneyball" revolution you would have thought that we'd see some more teams trumping *new* stats like on-base percentage, or pitches per plate appearances as the batter strolls to the plate.

    These are but simple pipe dreams in stat boy heaven and useless information in the world of our detractors. Make no mistake the cult of the batting average survives today and can be found all around the game, in the daily leader boards, in the newspaper and the stats that appear beneath each player that steps to the dish on your television, with them linked hand and hand are its brothers, home run and runs batted in (also known as HR and RBI, or Ribby)

    But how'd we get here?

    During the era of no gloves or kid gloves, placement hitting was extra important, putting the ball where a good play was the only way to ensure that the hitter was out was the goal, and error totals were incredible compared to today's game.

    Hereís an example of the National Leagues Shortstops errors in 1888

    Code:
    PLAYER                           E       PCT       G
    Monte Ward                   	86     .857      122
    Jack Rowe                    	72     .861      105
    Ned Williamson               	65     .884      132
    Arthur Irwin                 	64     .900      122
    Jack Glasscock               	59     .901      110
    Prior to the 1870ís a box score would often only display the outs a player made and the errors he committed, this focused on the battle between the batter and the fielders, as the game quickened the battle became more between the batter and the pitchers, with this came the need to measure the batters ability to succeed against the hurler.


    Batting Average

    In 1871 H.A Dobson of Washington devise a formula that he used to measure the effectiveness of batters in single contest or over a span of contests. So enamored with his formula he sent a letter to Henry Chadwick the preeminent Baseball statistician and the inventor of the box score. Within a year Chadwick fully endorsed the formula, a simple one that divided the players hits into their total at bats for a sum called "batting average" In the 1872 Beadle Guide of Baseball Chadwick wrote of batting average, "One is erroneous, one is right."

    And so the battle and the obsession began.

    By 1874 base hits were showing up in box scores.


    By the 1880's claims that bunts were being eschewed in hopes of not dropping ones batting average lower led to the instruction of the sacrifice bunt in 1889. Still in the following decade heavy scoring led some quotes like this one.

    "It is high time that a protest was entered against the growing and prevalent custom of the paper printing the averages of the players."
    Of course others had opinions about batting average that would be very at home in today's statistical revolution (obsession?)

    "Would a system that placed nickels, dimes, quarters, and 50-cent pieces on the same basis as be much of system whereby to compare a mans financial resources? "And yet it is precisely such a loose, inaccurate system, which obtains in baseball... Pretty poor system isn't it. To govern the most popular department of the most popular of all the games."

    F.C. Lane 1916
    HR (Home Runs)

    Why the Home Run?

    Why not ask why oxygen or water?

    Babe Ruth is probably the quickest and shortest answer to the above question.

    Code:
    AMERICAN LEAGUE
    1920-1929
    HOMERUNS                        HR
    1    Yankees                    1211
    2    A's                         757
    3    Browns                      710
    4    Tigers                      527
    5    Indians                     410
    6    Senators                    387
    7    White Sox                   367
    8    Red Sox                     315
    During World War One Babe Ruth first exceeded single digits in home runs, over the wires his progressed was relayed to France where doughboys talked of Ruth in the land that knew no baseball.

    Prior to Babes emergence as a hitter the single season record for home runs was a crapshoot of players who played in odd parks (Williamson - Lake Front 196 to RF) or Gavy Cravath at Baker Field, also prominent is 1890ís players playing in massive fields with pasture like outfields where balls rolled for what seemed like days. Some men enhanced their record with ground rules that counted balls that reached the stands on a bounce as a home run.

    The home run took place of the triple as the most exciting play in the game when Ruth came around and itís had a stranglehold on the game since then as well

    Prior to Ruth only 36 times had a player hit 15 or more home runs in a season.

    Code:
    1876-1918
    HOMERUNS                      YEAR     HR
    1    Ned Williamson           1884       27
    T2   Fred Pfeffer             1884       25
    T2   Buck Freeman             1899       25
    4    Gavvy Cravath            1915       24
    5    Abner Dalrymple          1884       22
    T6   Wildfire Schulte         1911       21
    T6   Cap Anson                1884       21
    8    Sam Thompson             1889       20
    T9   Billy O'Brien            1887       19
    T9   Bug Holliday             1889       19
    T9   Harry Stovey             1889       19
    T9   Ed Delahanty             1893       19
    T9   Gavvy Cravath            1914       19
    T9   Gavvy Cravath            1913       19
    T15  Jerry Denny              1889       18
    T15  Hugh Duffy               1894       18
    T15  Fred Luderus             1913       18
    T15  Sam Thompson             1895       18
    T15  Vic Saier                1914       18
    T20  Jimmy Ryan               1889       17
    T20  Hal Chase                1915       17
    T20  Jack Clements            1893       17
    T20  Bill Joyce               1894       17
    T20  Bill Joyce               1895       17
    T20  Roger Connor             1887       17
    T20  Bobby Lowe               1894       17
    T27  Fred Pfeffer             1887       16
    T27  Sam Crawford             1901       16
    T27  Harry Stovey             1891       16
    T27  Fred Luderus             1911       16
    T27  Mike Tiernan             1891       16
    T27  Jimmy Ryan               1888       16
    T27  Socks Seybold            1902       16
    T27  Charlie Duffee           1889       16
    T27  Dutch Zwilling           1914       16
    T36  Sherry Magee             1911       15
    T36  Jimmy Collins            1898       15
    T36  Sherry Magee             1914       15
    T36  Bill Dahlen              1894       15
    T36  Duke Kenworthy           1914       15
    In 1930 as many as 32 players would have 15 or more home runs in a season, 42 in 1960, 64 in 1990 and 115 in 2005.

    Home runs are now as much part as baseball as bases and sunflower seeds.

    But a line score wouldnít be a line score without RBIís

    RBI (Runs Batted In)

    First debated as a viable stat in the 1880's the run batted in disappeared into the background of baseball stats until the 1920ís. However it was adored and kept alive by one Ernie Lanigan, New York Press baseball editor, who labeled them as "Runs Responsible For" and kept track of them in the daily sports section of the Press. Ernie also is credited with starting ďThis Day in BaseballĒ as a newspaper item. A true stats nut, Ernie is responsible for keeping track of every player in baseballs RBI's from 1907-1920.

    He also had this to say about the game:

    "I don't really care much about baseball, or looking at ballgames. All my interest in baseball is in statistics."
    I find a certain irony in this, for if any stat is held in disdain by us "pencil necked geeks" (That folks conjure up in their head when they read quotes by men such as Mr. Lanigan) I would have to say that RBI's is the winner without a doubt.

    Of note - Itís easy to see the gaudy RBI numbers of the 1920ís and 30ís and think they are the norm, however that would be a fallacy since they occur when offense is at its peak and before Babe Ruth (thereís that guy again) came around only Sam Thompson of the Phillies could claim to have driven in more than 150 runs, and that was during the 2 biggest offensive years of the 19th century. Only 44 players have had RBIís of 150 or more in a season, and only 7 of them have occurred since division play started, thatís a mere 16%.

    To simplify my feelings on RBI's this is what Dayn Perry at BP had to say about them.

    "The thing to understand about counting stats is that, absent supporting information, they're really only useful at the margins. That's to say, it's hard to rack up 140 RBI and somehow stink. Conversely, it's difficult to log a season's worth of plate appearances, total 40 RBI and somehow be any good. The flip side of this is that it's entirely possible, especially in eras conducive to run scoring, to break the vaunted 100-RBI barrier and still be an ineffective player. It's debatable what the worst 100-RBI season is, but Ruben Sierra in 1993 may be hard to beat."
    By the 1970ís RBIS were a daily part of the box scores.


    The Future

    Slowly we are starting to see the addition of on base percentage in more television broadcasts. ESPN runs them with each playerís at bat, and the Indians, Yankees and Cubs (on WGN) show the stat as well. With on base percentage the viewer gets quick idea of the percentage of outs a player makes, one that is clean in its display of the players attempt to avoid all outs.

    Many have noted this in the history of the game, including Branch Rickey and even F.C. Lane the deadball era writer recognized the disrespect on base percentage received, calling it ďThe orphaned child of the dope sheets.Ē

    Even now as the flame flickers and the stat creeps to being part of out daily baseball diet we have to realize that itís a baby in the game to the regular fans out there.

    Long the red headed stepchild of baseball statistics, statistician, radio guy and baseball junkie Eric Walker helped fuel the revolution of on base percentage with his collection of essays ďThe Sinister First BasemanĒ his conduit was Aís GM Sandy Alderson who stumbled across the book in a San Francisco bookstore, and eventually spread his philosophy around the game through his position within the Oakland A's front office.

    And as they say, the rest is history.

    By the late 1990ís instead of OB% players walks were showing up in some box scores, this recognized the walk as a weapon and a tool that enhanced the players attempt to avoid outs. It also filled in alot of unanswered questions in the morning boxscores.


    Below is a list of the stats run beneath a players name when he comes to bat on the local TV broadcast.

    Code:
    =====================================
    Yankees		BA/HR/RBI/OB%
    Boston		BA/HR/RBI
    Toronto		BA/HR/RBI
    Baltimore	BA/HR/RBI
    Devil Rays	BA/HR/RBI
    =====================================
    White Sox	BA/HR/RBI
    Detroit 	BA/HR/RBI
    Indians		BA/HR/RBI/OB%
    Minnesota	BA/HR/RBI
    Royals		BA/HR/RBI
    =====================================
    Texas		BA/HR/RBI
    Oakland		BA/HR/RBI
    Angels		BA/HR/RBI
    Seattle		BA/HR/RBI
    =====================================
    Mets		Season BA + Game AB
    Phillies 	BA/HR/RBI
    Atlanta		BA/HR/RBI
    Nationals	BA/HR/RBI
    Florida		BA/HR/RBI
    =====================================
    Cincinnati	BA/HR/RBI
    Houston 	BA/HR/RBI
    St.Louis 	BA/HR/RBI
    Milwaukee 	BA/HR/RBI
    Cubs		BA/HR/RBI/OB%-WGN only
    Pittsburgh	BA/HR/RBI
    =====================================
    Arizona 	BA/HR/RBI
    Colorado 	BA/HR/RBI
    San Diego	Season BA + Game AB
    Giants		BA/HR/RBI
    Dodgers 	BA/HR/RBI
    =====================================
    This piece orginally was posted in May

    http://baseballminutia.com/blog/2006...of-the-screen/

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    Kingman went yard, BOnds 0-3, too bad about LaRoche , JIm Barr had good control

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    Re: Those Stats at the Bottom of the Screen

    I just noticed that walks were called "bases on wides" in the 1800's. Very cool. WOY, do you know when "walks" began to be used?
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    Awesome stuff, as usual.
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    Re: Those Stats at the Bottom of the Screen

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosley68 View Post
    I just noticed that walks were called "bases on wides" in the 1800's. Very cool. WOY, do you know when "walks" began to be used?
    I'm not too sure, the 1869 Red Stockings stats called "walks" "bases on called Balls" One thing for sure is regionally the game was scored differently (term wise) for the early years of the game. One of the reasons that the Baseball Writers of America was formed (1908) was to try and create a standard form of keeping score and saving statistics.

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    T 2:32 a rarity today
    Giants had three progenitors of ball players today, Bons, Speier, Matthews

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    Great post, westofyou.
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    Re: Those Stats at the Bottom of the Screen

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62 View Post
    Awesome stuff, as usual.
    I'll 2nd that. Thanks for the post, woy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsupport View Post
    T 2:32 a rarity today
    Giants had three progenitors of ball players today, Bons, Speier, Matthews
    Not only that, but Justin Speier appeared in the last sample box score, making Chris and Justin Speier the only father-son duo to appear in this thread!
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    Re: Those Stats at the Bottom of the Screen

    ex reds in second box score
    D. Lewis
    B. Boone

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsupport View Post
    T 2:32 a rarity today
    Giants had three progenitors of ball players today, Bonds, Speier, Matthews
    The Cubs also had three progenitors (though only two have scions playing today):
    LaRoche, Kessinger, Swisher
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    kessinger of the reds was the greatest almost made me forget Rafael Santo Domingo

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC View Post
    Great post, westofyou.
    I will third (or fourth) that!
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    Re: Those Stats at the Bottom of the Screen

    on walks: FC Richter claims that 1864 was the first time that strikes were called when the batter didn't swing, and balls were called on pitches out of the strike zone.

    From the rules adopted in Dec 1863:
    Sec6 "Should the pitcher repeatedly fail to deliver the striker fair balls for the apparent purpose of delaying the game, or for any other cause, the umpire, after warning him, shall call one ball, and if the pitcher persists in such action, two and three balls; when three balls shall have been called, the striker shall be entitled to the first base ...

    Sec 39 Should a striker stand at the bat without striking at good balls repeatedly pitched to him, for the apparent purpose of delaying the game, or of giving advantage to a player, the umpire, after warning him, shall call one strike, and if hepersists in such action, two and three strikes; when three strikes are called, he shall be subject to the same rules as if he had struck at three fair balls.
    Another interesting rule:
    Sec32 No person engaged in a match, either as umpire, scorer or player, shall be, directly or indirectly, interested in any bet upon the game.
    From woy's article:
    By the late 1990’s instead of OB% players walks were showing up in some box scores, this recognized the walk as a weapon and a tool that enhanced the players attempt to avoid outs. It also filled in alot of unanswered questions in the morning boxscores.
    Strikes out, too.

    I was encouraging the media people for the Zephyrs to add OPS to the batter's stats on the scoreboard, but they gave me a blank look.

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    One of the most interesting threads I've read in a long time. Thanks for sharing.
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