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    Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Anyone else horrified at the thought of Dusty Baker's pitching coach handling Homer Bailey??????


    "Reds named Dick Pole pitching coach.
    Pole was Dusty Baker's bench coach with the Cubs the last four seasons, but he's served as a pitching coach with five different teams during his lengthy career. It's not exactly an inspired pick for the Reds, but he'll probably get the job done."

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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Uhm...nope. Not gonna go there.
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    Brook Jacoby and Dick Pole - color me unimpressed.
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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    I posted in Live a simular concern with having an ex-Dusty Baker coach around might not be a good thing.

    Combine that with Narron's lack of in-game pitching/bullpen management skills....could be u.g.l.y.

    That's just my gut reaction to reading the press releases. Maybe this guy is a guru but it will take more info to make a decision.

    I had hoped they'd have tapped a guy that most people would say, "ahhhhhh good choice" too. Of course, I have no idea who that would be so my expectations are probably unreasonable.
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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    I'd say that I'll have to look back at the clubs he actually served as Pitching Coah for and not where he was Bench Coach...Anyone know how these teams performed...I'll be looking around on the net but I am not too saavy on where to find this stuff.

    Chicago Cubs (1988-91)
    San Francisco Giants (1993-97)
    Anaheim Angels (1999)
    Cleveland Indians (2000-01)
    and Montreal Expos (2002).
    "Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."

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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Here are those teams' ERA+ (League ERA / Team ERA) for those years. Obviously there are a ton of variables involved here -- just one way to slice it.

    Chi 88: 94
    Chi 89: 110
    Chi 90: 95
    Chi 91: 96

    SF 93: 107
    SF 94: 100
    SF 95: 83
    SF 96: 87
    SF 97: 93

    Ana 99: 102

    Cle 00: 104
    Cle 01: 97

    Mon 02: 105

    Well, not sure what to make of that exactly. It's a VERY rough measurement, but neither of his two longer stints showed positive trends. I think like batting coaches, you probably are better off judging them in a case-study context specific way.
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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Here are those teams' ERA+ (League ERA / Team ERA) for those years. Obviously there are a ton of variables involved here -- just one way to slice it.

    Chi 88: 94
    Chi 89: 110
    Chi 90: 95
    Chi 91: 96

    SF 93: 107
    SF 94: 100
    SF 95: 83
    SF 96: 87
    SF 97: 93

    Ana 99: 102

    Cle 00: 104
    Cle 01: 97

    Mon 02: 105

    Well, not sure what to make of that exactly. It's a VERY rough measurement, but neither of his two longer stints showed positive trends. I think like batting coaches, you probably are better off judging them in a case-study context specific way.
    I am really sorry...I don't understand what this means for sure...are the over 100 good or at least better ratings than those below?
    "Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."

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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Pole's got a decent resume and a great name.

    He did pretty well with a kid named Greg Maddux and he made Mitch Williams into a closer. He got one good year out of Mike Harkey, which may have been one more good year than you could have reasonably expected from Harkey. He got John Burkett to step up his game. Billy Swift gave him his career year. Shawn Estes debuted and pitched his best baseball ever under Pole. Kirk Reuter posted his best season ever with Pole as his pitching coach. He put together a damn-fine bullpen in Cleveland and did a real nice job with the Expos too.

    IIRC, he instills a lot of confidence in his pitchers. The knock on him is he perhaps rides his better pitchers too hard, but I'd say that's the case with most every pitching coach. Leo Mazzone will put a good workload on a guy who's going well too.

    All in all, I think he's a solid hire. Wonder if he's a Narron call or a Krivsky call.
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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Dick Pole? Uh... Its not even challenging. WHy Wayne, Why?

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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Pole's got a decent resume and a great name.

    He did pretty well with a kid named Greg Maddux and he made Mitch Williams into a closer. He got one good year out of Mike Harkey, which may have been one more good year than you could have reasonably expected from Harkey. He got John Burkett to step up his game. Billy Swift gave him his career year. Shawn Estes debuted and pitched his best baseball ever under Pole. Kirk Reuter posted his best season ever with Pole as his pitching coach. He put together a damn-fine bullpen in Cleveland and did a real nice job with the Expos too.

    IIRC, he instills a lot of confidence in his pitchers. The knock on him is he perhaps rides his better pitchers too hard, but I'd say that's the case with most every pitching coach. Leo Mazzone will put a good workload on a guy who's going well too.

    All in all, I think he's a solid hire. Wonder if he's a Narron call or a Krivsky call.
    First...thanks for the insight.

    Second I wondered the same thing about it being a Krivsky or Narron call.

    People I have talked to who actually know people in the organization say that K and Narron are on the same page and there is no division between them...so...take that for what it's worth.

    Thanks again.
    "Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."

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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    With that name put a mustache on this guy and play 70's porn background music on the PA when he comes out to the mound and you have an effective marketing gimmick that could very well sell a few more tickets this year.

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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Well this brought me a nice giggle on a bad day.
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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    That just can't be his name...it can't.
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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Quote Originally Posted by 11BarryLarkin11 View Post
    Anyone else horrified at the thought of Dusty Baker's pitching coach handling Homer Bailey??????


    "Reds named Dick Pole pitching coach.
    Pole was Dusty Baker's bench coach with the Cubs the last four seasons, but he's served as a pitching coach with five different teams during his lengthy career. It's not exactly an inspired pick for the Reds, but he'll probably get the job done."
    Bench coach, not pitching coach. It's even in your quote.

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    Re: Dick Pole the new pitching coach

    Could we just call him Richard?


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