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    Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

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    Teams Interested In Maholm
    Spoke to a scout today who passed along some Pirates info. He mentioned that a couple of teams are expressing interest in 24 year-old southpaw Paul Maholm because of his easy mechanics and ability to keep the ball in the park.

    Maholm posted a 0.97 HR per nine innings mark this season in 176 innings. If we are to adjust Maholm's HR per flyball rate to average (10.7%), his HR/9 falls to 0.83 per nine innings. My own projections have Maholm posting a 4.62 ERA and 1.47 WHIP in 195 innings next season. I can see his control progressing a bit, and he's a good low-risk, low-cost acquisition. Put a decent defense behind the guy and he might surprise you.

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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    I assume he's still Pirates property, so the question is, less what he's capable of, and more what we'd have to send to Pittsburgh to get him.

    If it's a B prospect, sure, ok. If it's an A prospect, or solid major leaguer, then I have to think long and hard on it because I've seen him get shelled when he's not on.

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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    His stats on ESPN.com don't look too bad, though I'd have to agree with only sending a B-level prospect to acquire him. Though his numbers aren't bad, they're not worth giving up top-level talent to get. This, however, is just my humble opinion.

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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    I assume he's still Pirates property, so the question is, less what he's capable of, and more what we'd have to send to Pittsburgh to get him.

    If it's a B prospect, sure, ok. If it's an A prospect, or solid major leaguer, then I have to think long and hard on it because I've seen him get shelled when he's not on.

    My question is why would they trade him? He is cheap and has shown signs of being decent? Next ? is why trade him within the division?
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    the pirates owe us one after trading casey for dave williams!
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    Quote Originally Posted by toledodan View Post
    the pirates owe us one after trading casey for dave williams!
    What did the Pirates get by acquiring Casey? What did Detroit give them?

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    First baseman Sean Casey was dealt to the Detroit Tigers for minor-league pitcher Brian Rogers, who was 3-2 with a 2.39 ERA in 37 appearances at Class AA Erie.
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    I'm a big fan of Maholm's, always have been. He had a pretty solid break-in season in 2006.

    I'd be surprised if Pittsburgh would consider dealing him, but I'd see if I could get them interested in something built around Maholm for Joey Votto.
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    but I'd see if I could get them interested in something built around Maholm for Joey Votto.
    Never.

    Let's look back at this one in 2-3 years....
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Never.

    Let's look back at this one in 2-3 years....
    Yeah, you'd never get anywhere trading AA 1Bs for major league pitchers.
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    Yeah, you'd never get anywhere trading AA 1Bs for major league pitchers.
    Only time will tell. It's not like you should Votto for any major league pitcher.

    As with the draft, the rub is in who the players are. I happen to like Votto a lot, and Maholm only a little.
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    It's not like you should Votto for any major league pitcher.
    I don't consider a 24-year-old lefty who's was a well-regarded prospect in both college and the minors (where he had a 3.10 ERA) and who's accomplished at keeping the ball on the ground and in the park and who's acquitted himself fairly well in his first full-time go at major league hitters to be just "any major league pitcher."

    If anything, it's a fairly extreme reach on my part to assert that the Reds could get Maholm for something built around Votto.
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    I don't consider a 24-year-old lefty who's was a well-regarded prospect in both college and the minors (where he had a 3.10 ERA) and who's accomplished at keeping the ball on the ground and in the park and who's acquitted himself fairly well in his first full-time go at major league hitters to be just "any major league pitcher."
    I know that. But you seem to be claiming some kind of conceptual high ground with this...

    Yeah, you'd never get anywhere trading AA 1Bs for major league pitchers.
    Where Maholm is the "major league pitcher" and Votto is the "AA hitter." As if any trade built on that conceptual framework would be a good one. Those are your categories, not mine.

    Again, it comes down to how much you like the individual players. I happen to like Votto better than you do, and Maholm less. That's all I'm saying. Let's see what happens down the road with these guys.
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    I know that. But you seem to be claiming some kind of conceptual high ground with this...
    Don't know if it's conceptual high ground, but it seems to me it's easier to find a 1B than a good, young LHP. Add in that the pitcher has served a good chunk of his major league apprenticeship and the 1B has his in front of him (and likely he won't be starting it in earnest until 2008) then it just makes the deal all the more enticing.

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    Again, it comes down to how much you like the individual players. I happen to like Votto better than you do, and Maholm less. That's all I'm saying. Let's see what happens down the road with these guys.
    I'll take a wild guess that if Maholm was Reds property and Votto was Pirates property, you'd like Maholm better and Votto less. As for the Reds, waiting to see what happens down the road is the exact sort of crippling stasis that's plague the franchise during the 21st century. If Maholm could be had for a package featuring Votto, and that's a fairly sizable if, then the Reds need to make a decision. Wait and see is just reflexive inaction. From where I sit, there aren't enough arms on the roster and in the system for the team to think it's in any sort of decent shape vis-a-vis the rotation in the immediate or over the next five years. My take is that it ought to take action and do something about it.
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    Re: Are the Reds possibly looking at him too?

    I'll take a wild guess that if Maholm was Reds property and Votto was Pirates property, you'd like Maholm better and Votto less.
    I've already given you several reasons for why I like Votto. None mentioned the uniform. Yet, I guess, no debate between us can be without a condescending dig like this. Why is that?

    I'm willing to debate this out some, but frankly I get sick of the lack of respect. It's stupid.
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