Johnny Sain age 89 died Tuesday 11/7//06.
Johnny Sain age 89 died Tuesday 11/7//06.
A legend has passed god rest his soul.
2006 Redzone mock Draftee's- 1(st) Daniel Bard(redsox), 1(st sup)( Jordan Walden (Angels), 2(nd) rd.- Zach Britton(Orioles), 3(rd) Blair Erickson(Cardinals), 3(rd) Tim Norton( Yankees),(cuz its a Tim Hortons thing
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
Originally Posted by Topcat
No doubt about it. He was a legend.
RIP
We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective ~ Kurt Vonnegut
Warren Spahn died three years ago..."Spahn, Sain and pray for rain"-it should be raining on the day of Sain's funeral.
"Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."
A great pitcher and pitching coach. RIP.
We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective ~ Kurt Vonnegut
Rest in peace, Mr. Sain. May the sun shine wherever you may be.
Great picture, RFS
I am fortunate to have befriended Johnny Sain in the late '80's-early '90's. His daughter Sheryl and grandson Wilson lived nearby and he came to visit them a couple of times a year. I guess he took time to visit occassionally with me because I enjoyed listening to his stories and philosophies. On one visit, he had just been to a card show with Warren Spahn, and he brought me several signed pictures (including the one 62 posted), a cartoon of him engineering a train pulling all the twenty game winners he had produced, and an old Sporting News article. I also have some photographs of him with my oldest son who was probably in the third grade at the time.
Sheryl once told me that she had been told that the Hall of Fame intended to induct him as a coach but planned to wait until after his death. Hmmm...I found that strange logic on their part, but now we will see.
I have recently taught one of his nieces. She had kept me informed about his stroke and nursing home life up until recently when she moved onto the high school.
Johnny Sain will always be one of my heroes and I am grateful for having been lucky enough to have listened to his stories and talked baseball with him. He and his family will be in my prayers.
Last edited by Spitball; 11-08-2006 at 10:55 AM.
"I am your child from the future. I'm sorry I didn't tell you this earlier." - Dylan Easton
An innovator in his time when it came to teaching pitching.
Sain hated to run, pitchers loved him for that
"The greatest pitching coach who ever lived."
Jim Bouton
He coached the 1968 Tigers staff, so he was the last pitching coach of a 30 game winner.
Code:JOHNNY SAIN GIVEN NAME: John Franklin Sain BORN: 9/25/1917 Havana, Arkansas BAT: R THROW: R HEIGHT: 6'2" WEIGHT: 185 MLB DEBUT: 4/24/1942 YEAR TEAM AGE W L PCT G GS CG SV GF IP H R ER BB SO ERA RSAA 1942 Braves 24 4 7 .364 40 3 0 6 24 97 79 54 42 63 68 3.90 -8 1946 Braves 28 20 14 .588 37 34 24 2 2 265 225 80 65 87 129 2.21 30 1947 Braves 29 21 12 .636 38 35 22 1 3 266 265 117 104 79 132 3.52 9 1948 Braves 30 24 15 .615 42 39 28 1 3 315 297 105 91 83 137 2.60 45 1949 Braves 31 10 17 .370 37 36 16 0 1 243 285 150 130 75 73 4.81 -27 1950 Braves 32 20 13 .606 37 37 25 0 0 278 294 139 122 70 96 3.95 -12 1951 Braves 33 5 13 .278 26 22 6 1 2 160 195 88 75 45 63 4.22 -6 Yankees 33 2 1 .667 7 4 1 1 2 37 41 17 17 8 21 4.14 -2 TOTALS 7 14 .333 33 26 7 2 4 197 236 105 92 53 84 4.20 -8 1952 Yankees 34 11 6 .647 35 16 8 7 15 148 149 70 57 38 57 3.47 0 1953 Yankees 35 14 7 .667 40 19 10 9 19 189 189 68 63 45 84 3.00 12 1954 Yankees 36 6 6 .500 45 0 0 22 39 77 66 27 27 15 33 3.16 4 1955 Yankees 37 0 0 3 0 0 0 1 5.1 6 4 4 1 5 6.75 -2 A's 37 2 5 .286 25 0 0 1 13 44.2 54 28 27 10 12 5.44 -7 TOTALS 2 5 .286 28 0 0 1 14 50 60 32 31 11 17 5.58 -9 TOTALS 139 116 .545 412 245 140 51 124 2125 2145 947 824 619 910 3.49 36 LG AVERAGE 118 118 .500 93 25 2125 2114 1046 917 856 910 3.89 0 YEAR TEAM HR H/9 BR/9 SO/9 BB/9 SO/BB SHO WP IBB HBP BFP BK NW NL 1942 Braves 8 7.33 13.64 6.31 5.85 1.08 0 4 0 5 423 1 5 6 1946 Braves 8 7.64 10.66 4.38 2.95 1.48 3 3 0 2 1086 2 23 11 1947 Braves 19 8.97 11.77 4.47 2.67 1.67 3 3 0 4 1131 0 18 15 1948 Braves 19 8.49 11.00 3.91 2.37 1.65 4 2 0 5 1313 0 26 13 1949 Braves 15 10.56 13.48 2.70 2.78 0.97 1 1 0 4 1072 0 11 16 1950 Braves 34 9.52 11.85 3.11 2.27 1.37 3 5 0 2 1178 3 15 18 1951 Braves 16 10.97 13.67 3.54 2.53 1.40 1 0 0 3 711 0 8 10 Yankees 5 9.97 11.92 5.11 1.95 2.63 0 0 0 0 155 0 1 2 TOTALS 21 10.78 13.34 3.84 2.42 1.58 1 0 0 3 866 0 9 12 1952 Yankees 15 9.06 11.49 3.47 2.31 1.50 0 0 0 2 620 0 9 8 1953 Yankees 16 9.00 11.29 4.00 2.14 1.87 1 2 0 3 780 1 12 9 1954 Yankees 11 7.71 9.47 3.86 1.75 2.20 0 0 0 0 310 1 7 5 1955 Yankees 4 10.13 11.81 8.44 1.69 5.00 0 0 0 0 22 0 0 0 A's 10 10.88 12.90 2.42 2.01 1.20 0 0 4 0 197 0 3 4 TOTALS 14 10.80 12.78 3.06 1.98 1.55 0 0 4 0 219 0 3 4 TOTALS 180 9.08 11.83 3.85 2.62 1.47 16 20 4 30 8998 8 138 117 LG AVERAGE 165 8.95 12.74 3.85 3.63 1.06 17 40 1 39 9144 6
Yes he was. Also, he invented the pitch-back and that ball with the various grips marked in colors.
"I am your child from the future. I'm sorry I didn't tell you this earlier." - Dylan Easton
BTW Sains best season in RSAA (Runs Saved Above Average) was in 1948, 45.
Bronson had 41 this yearCode:ATLANTA BRAVES SEASON 1948 RSAA RSAA 1 Johnny Sain 45 2 Nels Potter 15 3 Vern Bickford 10 T4 Bobby Hogue 6 T4 Bill Voiselle 6 T6 Ernie White 5 T6 Warren Spahn 5 8 Red Barrett 3 T9 Ed Wright 1 T9 Johnny Antonelli 1 T9 Ray Martin 1 And that doesn't even make the Braves top ten. ATLANTA BRAVES MODERN (1900-) RSAA YEAR RSAA 1 Greg Maddux 1995 64 2 Greg Maddux 1994 56 3 Greg Maddux 1998 55 4 Warren Spahn 1953 54 5 Bill Dinneen 1900 52 6 Greg Maddux 1997 51 7 Greg Maddux 1993 49 8 Warren Spahn 1947 48 T9 Tom Glavine 1991 46 T9 Phil Niekro 1978 46
Code:CINCINNATI REDS SEASON MODERN (1900-) RSAA YEAR RSAA 1 Dolf Luque 1923 66 2 Bucky Walters 1939 58 3 Noodles Hahn 1902 47 4 Dolf Luque 1925 45 5 Jose Rijo 1993 44 6 Bucky Walters 1940 42 T7 Ewell Blackwell 1950 41 T7 Bronson Arroyo 2006 41 T9 Noodles Hahn 1904 37 T9 Bob Purkey 1962 37 T9 Ewell Blackwell 1947 37
Sain should be recognized in the Hall as a coach. Absolutely.
And he coached an incredible number of twenty game winners, many of whom had been very mediocre types before his magic was performed. I can't remember all without looking at that cartoon but some were Whitey Ford, Jim Bouton, Mudcat Grant, Jim Perry, Dave Boswell, Dean Chance, Jim Kaat, Earl Wilson, Denny McLain, Clyde Wright, Wilber Wood, and Stan Bahnsen.He coached the 1968 Tigers staff, so he was the last pitching coach of a 30 game winner.
Also, Leo Mazzone gives him credit for much of his success.
"I am your child from the future. I'm sorry I didn't tell you this earlier." - Dylan Easton
RIP Johnny Sain!
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