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    Those Wacky Owners....

    What are some of the wackiest decisions/moves a team owner has made?

    Hopefully some of you historian types can add in some good ones.
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    The White Sox wearing shorts.
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    I think the Indians had like 10 cent beer night...that turned bad.

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    Re: Those Wacky Owners....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    What are some of the wackiest decisions/moves a team owner has made?

    Hopefully some of you historian types can add in some good ones.
    "No, No Nannette" will be a blockbuster! (Red Sox owner sells Ruth to pay off his musical debt)
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    Oh, and apparently anyone who let go of Lonnie Smith...it was ok in the end, but almost turned VERY bad.

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    How about disdaining all your scouts and giving your dog free reign

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    Uh... I'd have to nominate firing a manager b/c he is living with (not married to) his girlfriend. Anyone here ever hear of such a thing?
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    Not a team owner but a owner none the less. NBC and the World Wrestling Federation plow $100 million into creating the XFL. The March 17 game between the Birmingham Thunderbolts and the Las Vegas Outlaws scores a 1.6 Nielsen rating, believed to be the lowest ever for any prime-time network program. The league folds after one season. He Hate Me rules!

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    Bill Veeck's entire career, but I'd go with the midget first and foremost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    but I'd go with the midget first and foremost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gm View Post
    "No, No Nannette" will be a blockbuster! (Red Sox owner sells Ruth to pay off his musical debt)
    Globe Theatre, Broadway - 16 September, 1925.

    That's the day No, No Nanette came out, six opening days after Ruth was sold.

    Another baseball myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Globe Theatre, Broadway - 16 September, 1925.

    That's the day No, No Nanette came out, six opening days after Ruth was sold.

    Another baseball myth.
    Is there any other evidence besides the date? Because he could very well have been deeply in the hole for producing the show and needed to sell Ruth to pay his debts from it -- make-up financing, if you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Globe Theatre, Broadway - 16 September, 1925.

    That's the day No, No Nanette came out, six opening days after Ruth was sold.

    Another baseball myth.

    Oh yeah, next thing you'll be telling me is that Abner Doubeday didn't invent baseball and Jackie Robinson wasn't the first African-American baseball player.

    If you want to look at Wacky Owner Tricks, look no further than Atlanta, GA and Billionaire Ted. He signed Andy Messersmith as a free agent and assigned him the number 17 and had them put the word "Channel" instead of "Messersmith" on the back of his jersey to advertise TBS which was channel 17 in the Atlanta area. Ted actually managed the Braves for a game - they lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    Is there any other evidence besides the date? Because he could very well have been deeply in the hole for producing the show and needed to sell Ruth to pay his debts from it -- make-up financing, if you will.
    Plenty of evidence, though I'll try to keep this somewhat short and to the point since it was a pretty complex situation that occurred.

    During the 1919 season, a rift developed between two groups of American League teams, and the cause of the rift was a fiasco involving American League President Ban Johnson, the Boston Red Sox, and Boston's star pitcher Carl Mays.

    Mays was irritated with the lousy run support provided to him by the Red Sox offense, and in retaliation, he rebelled. First, he threw a ball at a fan in the stands and was promptly fined $100 by Ban Johnson. Later in the season when Mays was on the mound, catcher Wally Schang tried to throw a basestealer at second base, but the throw was low and nailed Mays in the head. Mays walked off the field after that inning and refused to return; instead, he headed back home to Boston to collect his belongings and jumped the club, refusing to pitch for the Red Sox.

    Boston was at a sticking point here. The easy solution would be to suspend Mays, but he was one of the league's best pitchers and if he was suspended, he wouldn't be able to be traded. Ban Johnson, however, warned the other seven AL clubs not to deal with Boston in acquiring Mays. The Yankees ignored Johnson's demand and struck a deal with the Red Sox to acquire Mays in return for a scrub, Allen Russell, and $40,000 cash. Johnson refused to approve the trade, but the teams went to court and obtained an injunction against Johnson. The end result is Mays went to the Yankees in early August, won nine games for them in less than two months, and the beginning of the end was near for Ban Johnson's rule over the American League.

    Here's where it gets interesting with Babe Ruth ...

    Boston hated Ban Johnson after this fiasco, as did the Yankees. The Chicago White Sox also joined with those two clubs in challenging Johnson's authority. The five other AL teams, however, stuck loyal to Johnson and supported him, thereby creating the aforementioned rift between two groups of AL clubs: Red Sox, Yankees and White Sox vs. the rest of the American League.

    After the 1919 season, Ruth's demands for salary started to skyrocket - remember, he shattered the all-time home run record with 29 homers that season, breaking Gavy Cravath's modern record of 24 set a few seasons earlier (in a joke of a home park) and breaking the all-time mark by Ned Williamson (in a joke of a home park) in the 19th century. Ruth's salary of $10,000 each season from 1919-1921 was far too low, according to the Babe. He wanted $20,000 a year, and if not, he'd sit out the next season. Frazee was low on cash and couldn't give the Babe a raise, but at the same time he couldn't take the chance that Ruth would sit out the 1920 season by not giving him a raise.

    The solution? Trade Ruth.

    Yet with the Carl Mays/Ban Johnson fiasco still fresh, the Red Sox were low on teams willing to work with them in a trade for Ruth. Only the White Sox and Yankees stepped up due to the Johnson rift, with the White Sox offering Joe Jackson and $60,000 cash and the Yankees offering $100,000 cash. Frazee was in negotiations with Joe Lannin, the guy he bought the Red Sox from, and the Taylor family who built Fenway Park to go ahead and buy Fenway Park fully.

    This is where it gets complicated.

    When Frazee bought the team originally, Fenway Park was not included in the package. Due to the rift with Ban Johnson, however, Frazee needed the park as leverage to prevent Johnson from figuring out a way to assume control of the team and force Frazee out. If Frazee owned the park, it made it much more difficult for Johnson to pull any shenanigans since any Johnson trickery that would have resulted in ousting Frazee would have left the team without a ball park to play in. Frazee needed the cash to secure the park and help secure his interest in the franchise. Not surprisingly, he elected to take the cash-heavy offer from the Yankees, including a loan from the Yankees to further help him secure Fenway Park.

    Babe Ruth, unfortunately for Red Sox fans, was off to the Yankees.

    Of course, the rift between Johnson and the two groups of AL clubs continued well past the Ruth trade. The Black Sox Scandal was uncovered in 1920, ripping away much of the talent held by the Chicago White Sox, and the other five American League clubs still refused to deal with Boston in any significant transaction.

    That left the Yankees as the only team that would deal with Boston, and in convenient Yankee fashion, just about every Yanks/Red Sox trade turned up lopsided in the Yankees' favor. Guys such as Waite Hoyt, Wally Schang, Joe Bush, Sam Jones, Joe Dugan, and Herb Pennock ended up being shipped from Boston to New York over a period of about two to three years following the Ruth sale, and that group of players along with Ruth was the core of the beginning of the great Yankee Dynasty.

    Frazee himself? He sold the Red Sox in 1923, two years before No, No Nanette came out.
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    I remember Reds management in the early 80's fining Dave Collins $50 for throwing a ball to a kid in the stands. Pretty damn petty and I remember Collins saying it was one of the reasons he couldnt wait to leave.

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    Here are some pictures of some of the players/executives involved in events surrounding the Ruth sale and the Frazee ownership of the Red Sox. Photos and labels courtesy of Bill Burgess over at Baseball Fever (he's got hundreds of such pictures posted there) ...

    -----------------Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis----------------------------------Figures in Baseball
    ---Being appointed Commissioner of Baseball, Nov. 12, 1920, Chicago, Illinois----------------------------------1920, Chicago, Illinois

    Standing L-R: Connie Mack (A's), Phil Ball (Browns), Barney Dreyfuss (Pirates)--------L-R: Frank Joseph Navin (Detroit Tigers), Phil D. Ball (St. Louis Browns)
    Clark Griffith (Senators), Frank Navin (Tigers), Jacob Ruppert (Yankees), Sam
    ------Clark Griffith (Senators), Tom Shibe (Phil. A's), Ban B. Johnson (AL Pres.)
    Breadon (Cardinals), Charles Ebbets (Dodgers), James Dunn (Indians), Charles
    Stoneham (Giants), August (Garry) Herrmann (Reds), Harry Frazee (Red Sox)
    William Veeck (Cubs), Robert Quinn (Browns)


    Obscured behind them are: Bill Hayes (AP Writer), Billy Niesen (semi-club owner),
    Oscar Reichow (Chicago Daily News sports writer)






    -------------------------Wally Schang, Phil. A's C, 1913-'14-----------------------------------Wally Schang, 1913-'14





    -----------------Carl Mays, 1929, Giants----------------------------------1929, Giants





    -----------Herb Pennock, Yankee P, 1922-'33---------------Joe Bush, Athletics' P, 1912 -------------------1913-14





    ---------Babe Ruth/Rogers Hornsby---------------George Sisler/Babe Ruth, -------------------Babe Ruth/George Sisler
    -----------1920, Polo Grounds-----------------------1922, Sportsman's Park ----------------------1922, Polo Grounds

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