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    Red Sox May have won Matzuka

    Buster Olney is saying that the red sox with the matsuzka (whatever) auction. At a price between 38-45 million. Thats before the contract they are going to have to pay him, which will be at least 12 million a year. I am so glad the reds didnt get involved in this. 45 Million for this pitcher is insane.

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    Re: Red Sox May have won Matzuka

    Quote Originally Posted by dunner13 View Post
    At a price between 38-45 million. Thats before the contract they are going to have to pay him, which will be at least 12 million a year.
    Wow, how can teams or businessmen spend or commit so much money to one, when that one could simply take a fall in the shower, and all their money go down the drain, I don't get it. Let alone not perform up to MLB standards.

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    Say for argument sake he gets 4 yrs for 48 mil 12 mil per no incentives and paid 40 mil (for this discussion). Teams with lots of money have weighed out the cost and feel its worth it and they have the budget to work with:

    If hes only in Boston for the 4 yrs the cost is 22 mil per year. A lot but what if at the end of this contract he's 30 and decides to sign the same deal 17 mil per year would be the cost. If this guy is as good as advertised it certainly is better to pay him than to get 3 Eric Milton's for the same price.

    I wouldnt ever do it, but hey thats baseball.

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    The bid money is for the Seibu Lions NOT matzuka. Won't count against the luxury tax ceiling.
    They now have EXCLUSIVE rights to negotiate with the pitcher. That should make his salary a bit lower (than if he were a FA) and probably incentive-laden.

    I'm surprised the yankees didn't do this...its more their MO.
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    If the Red Sox won (a big "if" still) it would be truly ironic in light of Theo's comments this season whining about how his Red Sox couldn't compete with the spending of the Yankees.

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    That's a lot of jack to throw away when the guy might not even sign with them when all is done.

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    Re: Red Sox May have won Matzuka

    Quote Originally Posted by dburke1337 View Post
    That's a lot of jack to throw away when the guy might not even sign with them when all is done.
    so what happens if he doesnt sign?
    do they re-bid again ?

    or go to team 2 in the original bidding....

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    If he doesn't sign the money is refunded to the REd Sox [or whoever the winning team is] and he returns to Seibu Lions of the Japan league and he is a free agent next season.

    So in short the Sox only lose the 40 million if they agree to terms with him.

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    Re: Red Sox May have won Matzuka

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    If he doesn't sign the money is refunded to the REd Sox [or whoever the winning team is] and he returns to Seibu Lions of the Japan league and he is a free agent next season.

    So in short the Sox only lose the 40 million if they agree to terms with him.
    Ah, I see. I didn't know about the refundable part

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringfieldFan View Post
    Wow, how can teams or businessmen spend or commit so much money to one, when that one could simply take a fall in the shower, and all their money go down the drain, I don't get it. Let alone not perform up to MLB standards.
    It's called Lloyd's of london insurance.


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    Temporary Disablement Cover - or what's commonly known as Wage Roll Protection - this covers a club in the event of a player being injured and having to find a replacement. Developed by the Lloyd's market, this cover is often bought by clubs for their top players, with the cost of the insurance determined by the player’s age, health, injury record, medical treatment available and the motivation of the player.

    Im not sure if he just downright bombs if theres a coverage for that, but thats what your scouts are for.

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    Re: Red Sox May have won Matzuka

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    If he doesn't sign the money is refunded to the REd Sox [or whoever the winning team is] and he returns to Seibu Lions of the Japan league and he is a free agent next season.

    So in short the Sox only lose the 40 million if they agree to terms with him.
    so in other words...if sox dont sign him, he must wait till next year to play in US ?
    i believe he will sign btw, just curious how that works.

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    Re: Red Sox May have won Matzuka

    Quote Originally Posted by jmac View Post
    so in other words...if sox dont sign him, he must wait till next year to play in US ?
    i believe he will sign btw, just curious how that works.
    And maybe the bid was only to keep him away from the Yankees. The sox lowball him to the point where he won't sign, they keep their $40 Milllion and the competition looks elsewhere.

    Far fetched? Maybe.

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    Re: Red Sox May have won Matzuka

    Quote Originally Posted by jmac View Post
    so in other words...if sox dont sign him, he must wait till next year to play in US ?
    i believe he will sign btw, just curious how that works.
    Yes that is correct, only the Red Sox [assuming they were the winning bidder as speculated] can sign him. If they don't he goes back to Japan.

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    Re: Red Sox May have won Matzuka

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    If he doesn't sign the money is refunded to the REd Sox [or whoever the winning team is] and he returns to Seibu Lions of the Japan league and he is a free agent next season.

    So in short the Sox only lose the 40 million if they agree to terms with him.
    Where have you seen this? My understanding was that the Red Sox have to pay that money even if Matsuzaka doesn't sign with them. I thought this was totally non-refundable. Maybe I'm wrong.

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    Wikipedia thinks you're correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_system

    So I would hope that there is some good faith stuff in the rules, forcing the Red Sox not to do this to "block" the Yankees.
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    Re: Red Sox May have won Matzuka

    If the winning team does not agree to terms on a contract after winning the bid, he returns to the Seibu Lions and the money is all refunded.

    Matsuzaka has no control over that part of the process. But once the Lions choose to let him go, he has 30 days to negotiate a contract. If those discussions fall apart, Matsuzaka returns to Seibu, and the money is refunded. With the posting price expected to be in the $20-$30 million range, and Scott Boras as his agent, the total financial commitment to ultimately sign Matsuzaka should easily be a record for a first-year Japanese player.
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