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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Does anyone out there still think OJ didn't do it?

    Some jurors, somewhere in LA County.
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I suppose I would see the irony also if this was not a conglomerate we are talking about, which means different people making different decisions about different things. To see irony there entails oversimplifying an organization, sort of like the logic that produces such gems as "Bush is an oil man, Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia, Bush and the Saudi Arabian leaders go way back, therefore his extended family being flown out of the country after 911 proves a conspiracy." I'm not saying that is a point you have/would make, but it is similar logic.
    A far more apt analogy would be a Congressman who votes against legalized gambling while being a part-owner of a Vegas casino.

    I am quite certain that if Mr. Murdoch disapproved of programming being run on the Fox Network, it would be immediately removed. I can only assume that Mr. Murdoch either has no problems with what is being aired, or is willing to put aside whatever personal convictions he may have in the name of generating ratings (and $$$) for his media empire. He's conservative when it's convenient to be so, but that never stops him from milking the cash cow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis View Post
    A far more apt analogy would be a Congressman who votes against legalized gambling while being a part-owner of a Vegas casino.

    I am quite certain that if Mr. Murdoch disapproved of programming being run on the Fox Network, it would be immediately removed. I can only assume that Mr. Murdoch either has no problems with what is being aired, or is willing to put aside whatever personal convictions he may have in the name of generating ratings (and $$$) for his media empire. He's conservative when it's convenient to be so, but that never stops him from milking the cash cow.
    I assume that we know about this program and he may still not know about it. All of your conjecture assumes that his initials appear somewhere in the corner of a programming authorization form, mine assumes that owners of such organizations are not hands on and will probably only hear about this if it becomes a huge issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I assume that we know about this program and he may still not know about it.
    You're probably right. A 2-part interview with O.J. Simpson where he talks about how he WOULD have committed the murders probably just slipped right by him unnoticed. Perhaps one of his staffers should alert him, I'm sure he'll be appalled.
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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis View Post
    You're probably right. A 2-part interview with O.J. Simpson where he talks about how he WOULD have committed the murders probably just slipped right by him unnoticed. Perhaps one of his staffers should alert him, I'm sure he'll be appalled.
    Mock all you want, reg, but folks in his position don't spend much time fighting for little niblets of corn with the rest of the chickens.

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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis View Post
    I am quite certain that if Mr. Murdoch disapproved of programming being run on the Fox Network, it would be immediately removed. I can only assume that Mr. Murdoch either has no problems with what is being aired, or is willing to put aside whatever personal convictions he may have in the name of generating ratings (and $$$) for his media empire. He's conservative when it's convenient to be so, but that never stops him from milking the cash cow.

    Rupert Murdoch...Publisher of the NY Post (tabloid trash at its finest). This is right up his alley. No way he'd be against it.

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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Mock all you want, reg, but folks in his position don't spend much time fighting for little niblets of corn with the rest of the chickens.
    TR, this is Rupert Murdoch we are talking about. He isn't running an auto garage where the chief mechanic can waive the price of an oil change without approval.

    He signed off on it.

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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    TR, this is Rupert Murdoch we are talking about. He isn't running an auto garage where the chief mechanic can waive the price of an oil change without approval.

    He signed off on it.
    Not good 'ol Rupert, Dom. His hands are clean--surely, if he knew about such a distasteful thing, he'd pull it off the airwaves immediately. Clearly, he's just not "in the loop" with what his media empire is up to. Why, he just found out that his network had been carrying NFL games last week. How's he supposed to know that his network is now helping OJ Simpson cash in on his murders?

    Perhaps one of us should attempt to alert him?
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Dom and Reg,

    Just to make myself clear, I really don't know squat about Murdoch and how involved in the daily operations of his business he is. But then, I don't think I need to simply because this is a micromanagement issue, and the likelihood of the owner of a conglomerate being involved at the level you all need him to be to make this conspiracy work is very, very low. A particular program that a network is airing is a micromanagement issue that the owner of a very large organization is not likely to be involved in the decision.

    So, I could care less if his hands are clean, that means nothing to me, and I have no reason to defend him. But I do know how large organizations work, and while ultimately the owner of a company, even a conglomerate is responsible for the output of the organization, that doesn't mean that he is involved in the day to day decisions at the level of a TV program.

    And honestly, Dom, I see this issue, relatively speaking, being on about the level of your analogy. This program is to an oil change as Murdoch is to the president of GM.

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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    the likelihood of the owner of a conglomerate being involved at the level you all need him to be to make this conspiracy work is very, very low.
    There's no conspiracy here, just amusing hypocrisy.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    Some jurors, somewhere in LA County.
    I really doubt they even think OJ's innocent. That verdict was more about punishing Mark Furman and a racist and corrupt LAPD than anything else.
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    They are still #1 in the 25-54 demographic according to mediabistro.com. Ratings are provided by Nielsen.
    What you are failing to mention: the second quarter ratings for 2006 revealed a drop in viewers for every show on the Fox News Channel, including an 8 percent drop in total viewers for The O'Reilly Factor and an 11 percent drop in Factor viewers in the 25-54 demographic.

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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    I really doubt they even think OJ's innocent. That verdict was more about punishing Mark Furman and a racist and corrupt LAPD than anything else.
    If true... those jurors should be ashamed. They never-ever should serve as jurors again. They have done an injustice to all races of human beings on this planet. If true, it is sad and pathetic. It allows a murderer to walk free.

    Personally I feel that the Dream Team had more to do with the verdict than any juror. Moving the trial... a great job in getting a double-murderer off and getting the jurors that were needed. Putting Furman on the stand and turning the murder of an ex-wife and an innocent man into a racial-thing... great job of getting a double-murderer off.

    I understand the legal process in the United States and think it works pretty well. But I wonder how Dream Team types can sleep at night when they do things like the afore-mentioned in an effort to release a murderer. Perhaps the million$ they reap helps with their sleep, but I am not sure I could live happily doing these things... regardless of the money.
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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    Quote Originally Posted by HotCorner View Post
    I feel horrible for the Brown and Goldman families. Now he's attempting to profit off of how he would kill Nicole and Ron. Sick!
    If he was trying to make money after killing my son or daughter, I'd put a piece of lead in him. Could you, if on the jury, convict me?
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: Could Orenthal please die already?

    But I wonder how Dream Team types can sleep at night when they do things like the afore-mentioned in an effort to release a murderer.
    Especially people like Barry Sheck, who is Mr. Innocence Project- oh, except for that double murderer he got off.

    His cross-examination of Dennis Fung was an example of too many logial fallacies to name. Mr. Big shot lawyer beats up city employee who helped catch a true murderer.

    How noble.

    Sheck spends his life getting people wrongly convicted of murder out of jail and apparently he keeps true killers out of jail, too.


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