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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Any way to get a look at how Alex has done in Cincinnati's park?
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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Atleast we picked up an all-glove guy at a position that you need a great glove. Although I still don't like it.

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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    Atleast we picked up an all-glove guy at a position that you need a great glove. Although I still don't like it.
    You admit they needed a great glove in a key defensive postion....and they got that...but you don't like it.

    Am I missing something?

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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    You admit they needed a great glove in a key defensive postion....and they got that...but you don't like it.

    Am I missing something?

    Yep. We Reds fans have been spoiled by 30 years of watching Davey Concepcion and Barry Larkin play the position and didn't realize how good we had it until now.

    Gonzalez will be fine. A slick fielding shortstop will help out the pitching staff, and lord knows this pitching staff can use all the help it can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty View Post
    Yep. We Reds fans have been spoiled by 30 years of watching Davey Concepcion and Barry Larkin play the position and didn't realize how good we had it until now.
    Fair point.

    We were blessed with HOF caliber players there forever.....now back to reality

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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Last year we had horrible defense at short. So this year we bring in a gold glove shortstop, lets say having him drops the pitchers ERA down half a run. Would that make this deal well worth it, even if he doesnt hit well? Think of all the erros that lopez/castro had then all the balls they couldnt get to that well now be outs. To me this is a great deal, I think he will help the pitchers alot and I gonzalez will hit just fine in GABP.

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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty View Post
    Gonzalez will be fine. A slick fielding shortstop will help out the pitching staff, and lord knows this pitching staff can use all the help it can get.
    Personally, I'd rather get pitching to help the pitching staff.

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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Quote Originally Posted by dunner13 View Post
    Last year we had horrible defense at short. So this year we bring in a gold glove shortstop, lets say having him drops the pitchers ERA down half a run. Would that make this deal well worth it, even if he doesnt hit well? Think of all the erros that lopez/castro had then all the balls they couldnt get to that well now be outs. To me this is a great deal, I think he will help the pitchers alot and I gonzalez will hit just fine in GABP.
    There is no way in God's name that a shortstop could drop a staff's ERA down by a half run.

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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    If he could bring down pitcher's ERA by half a run, heck yeah. However, lets say he saves us 20 runs over what we got last year (which would be gold glove caliber defense).

    So, let's say we go from 800 ER to 780 ER. That would be .12. Now considering that he'll likely cost us runs offensively compared to the production we got out of Lopez, Aurilia, and Clayton, and you can see that the best case effect is a very small positive, if not a step back. It really comes down to his offense. If he can be decent (.700+ OPS), it's a decent addition. If not, it's not.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Quote Originally Posted by Topcat View Post
    Any way to get a look at how Alex has done in Cincinnati's park?
    Not bad

    Pretty small sample size though.

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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    I have been a critic of Krivsky since The Trade but I like this move, provided that:

    1) Narron's smart enough to bat AG 8th (wouldn't bet the farm on it).

    2) Krivsky realizes the team still needs offense. I keep reading that pitching and defense wins games, but pitchers don't hit very well and you can't get a base hit with a glove and runs don't just score themselves.

    3) Griffey is moved to the corner and Denorfia plays CF - absolutely no need to overpay for Juan Pierre when pitching still has holes.

    AG should improve the defense and maybe he smacks 20 or so HRs from the 8th spot. Sounds good to me.
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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    I won't be happy about this signing unless other moves are made.

    If he's part of a scheme, I hope it's a good scheme, and I hope it's able to be executed.

    It's a start.

    If it's the end, it's gonna be a long season.
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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Hey, stat guys. It said on ESPN that Gonzalez's fielding percentage last year was .985. Can anybody tell me what was the combined fielding percentage of Lopez,Clayton, Castro, and Phillips at Short Stop? Then how many potential runs will it save us next year having Gonzo at SS in 07....thanks
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
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    Re: Gammons reports reds sign Alex Gonzalez

    What happened to Steel?


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