He'll be 40 6/2 of this season. That's 40 in my book. He might start the season on the better side of 40, but he'll celebrate a birthday in-season.Originally Posted by vaticanplum
So we have him signed until he's 41, with an option for 42? This is getting better by the minute...
Last edited by Highlifeman21; 11-20-2006 at 07:32 PM.
48 Ks in 68 innings sucks. Just because you have no idea how to interpret stats even when you have them on hand isn't my problem.
48/27 K/BB ratio--that really sucks.
Notice I didn't mention anything about his age.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
While a number of your points were good, I'll have to disagree with these 2.
855 K's in 1056 innings is an excellent K rate.
A number of his blown saves came in a set up role, when pitchers can only blow saves, not get any. A better reflection is his 8 saves and 15 holds in 29 opportunities.
And this was my salient point: he was once a very good reliever. The last couple of seasons + his age say he's headed down.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
if you go look at his career and the wonderful pitchers parks he has spent them in, his reputation far exceeds his performance.
That translates to 6.35 K's per 9 innings.
Other soft tossers who can't strike out guys:
Oswalt 6.79
Buckholz 6.13
Hancock 5.84
Francis 5.29
Willis 6.44
Hudson 5.81
Beckett 6.94
Zito 6.14
E. Santana 6.22
Holladay 5.40
Verlander 6.00
Garcia 5.61
Not to jump in. But knowing the $ verifies for me that this move sucks.
comparing relievers to starters in things like Ks and ERA is a complete non-starter.
while pitching the majority of his career in very large pitchers parks during his 16 seasons
ERA < 3 - 3 times(last in 2001)
ERA between 3 and 4 - 5 times
ERA between 4 and 5 - 7 times
career ERA 3.81, a very average releif pitcher who probably has grealty benefited from the HR suppression of his home ballparks
You know it's a false comparison to compare relievers to starters in K/9
By your comparison, Todd Coffey kicks Roy Oswalt's (and Stanton's) ass as a pitcher.
A 6.35 K/9 would be acceptable if he didn't walk a soul. But he did walk a ton of people last season.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
If you look a little deeper at those stats, 11 of his 27 walks were intentional.
16 walks in 68 innings is NOT A TON.
Upon more careful reading of the article I'm not too happy with the signing of the sprightly 39-year-old Stanton. Maybe my hopes were too raised by the one-year, $1 million deal, but that does just seem too much for him. I'm happy to see that Gonzalez's contract is backloaded though; with Griffey's salary gone in the last year of Gonzo's contract that's a smart move and still gives me hope of spending a little more in the nearer future.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
I will say it one more time. 51st ALL TIME in K/9. 24th among active players. You said I don't know to interpret stats, I don't think you even know how to read them. If you can look at those stats and tell me he has a
lousy K rate, then you have no credibility with me. I'll just let it go.
Actually, FCB said you don't know how to interpret stats.
You're heralding Stanton for his career K/9. Good for him and his 51st all time ranking. What did he do in 2006? The correct answer, is diddly squat. That 1.43 WHIP he put up last year really impresses me, along with the almost 30 walks in just under 70 IP. Yeah, let's give him the ball at the same rate Narron gave Franklin the ball last year....
But I appreciate you putting words in my mouth when it was really FCB who said you have no idea how to interpret stats.
Please continue to defend this waste of money signing....
Hey, when you can't retire a hitter...next best thing is a IBB.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
Not knowing to whom he issued the free passes, two things immediately jump to mind with 11 IBB in 68 IP.
1. He can't be trusted to attempt to get some better hitters out, thus the free pass.
2. Why on earth is he in the game if he's just handing out free passes to 1B?
So, if you take the IBB out of the WHIP equation, I think that would bring him down to a 1.26. Still nothing to write home to mom about.
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