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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Some fun details on this situation coming out of Chicago...

    1) The last two years of the contract have options. No one's quite sure if they are player, team, or mutual, but he's guaranteed six years with the Cubs.

    2) According to an interview with Piniella, the Cubs intend on playing him at one of the corners. He said the team intends to pursue starting pitching and a center fielder now, so I'm guessing that means Murton or Jones gets moved. Some people think Jones might move to CF, but that seems unlikely.

    3) The Cubs reportedly were upping their payroll up to $120m this offseason. With this signing, the current payroll is at around $100m.

    4) There also is reportedly a no trade clause that lasts for 5-6 years.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I don't know many .230 hitters who make $13 million. No matter what their walk rate is.
    And how many 40 HR guys make less once they get some leverage?

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Concerning Dunn and Soriano, and the walks.

    What's amazing is that Soriano played on some juggernaut offensive squads and led off most of the time and with 3900 lifetime at bats he only has 104 more runs scored then Dunn, despite having 1070 more at bats.

    Dunn has 350 more walks then Soriano in 752 less plate appearances.
    Last edited by westofyou; 11-19-2006 at 06:18 PM.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Breaking News! Lou has just been told about Soriano's refusal to play centerfield

    No kidding.

    The last guy who refused to play a new position for Lou got designated for assignment from the Devil Rays, and was picked up by the Reds.

    Will Soriano follow the same path as...

    ...Jason Romano?

    Makes all the routine posts.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    whether or not Soriano is worth $17M per year is pretty immaterial if you have the money to sign him.

    The Cubs are a better team today than they were yesterday.

    If we could suddenly get our payroll into the $120 range, think what our team might look like.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    And how many 40 HR guys make less once they get some leverage?
    Not sure. How many consistent 40 HR guys today actually hit .230?

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    [QUOTE=westofyou;1194968]What's amazing is that Soriano played on some juggernaut offensive squads and led off most of the time and with 3900 lifetime at bats he only has 104 more runs scored then Dunn, despite having 1070 more at bats./QUOTE]

    The 752 less PAs is more relevant while looking at this statistic. And 104 more runs scored in 752 more PAs is almost like a full season in both stats.

    Soriano also has 94 RBI in 752 more PAs as primarily a leadoff hitter. Also about a full season.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Soriano also has 94 RBI in 752 more PAs as primarily a leadoff hitter. Also about a full season.
    And he also played on teams that scored this many runs and didn't have the pitcher batting in front of him.

    Code:
    RUNS                     YEAR      R     
    Yankees                  2001      804 
    Yankees                  2002      897 
    Yankees                  2003      877  
    Rangers                  2004      860  
    Rangers                  2005      865
    Nationals                2006      746 
    
    
    RUNS                     YEAR      R     
    Reds                     2005      820   
    Reds                     2004      750   
    Reds                     2006      749   
    Reds                     2001      735   
    Reds                     2002      709   
    Reds                     2003      694

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Not sure. How many consistent 40 HR guys today actually hit .230?
    In Dunn's bad year he was on base 36.5% of the time. In Soriano's career year he was on base 35.1% of the time. I think BA isn't that relevant.

    This really isn't an argument about Soriano vs. Dunn anyway. Its more about the market. I don't think in the current market that the 2006 version of Adam Dunn could be signed for less than $13 Million.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    And he also played on teams that scored this many runs and didn't have the pitcher batting in front of him.

    Code:
    RUNS                     YEAR      R     
    Yankees                  2001      804 
    Yankees                  2002      897 
    Yankees                  2003      877  
    Rangers                  2004      860  
    Rangers                  2005      865
    Nationals                2006      746 
    
    
    RUNS                     YEAR      R     
    Reds                     2005      820   
    Reds                     2004      750   
    Reds                     2006      749   
    Reds                     2001      735   
    Reds                     2002      709   
    Reds                     2003      694
    Who hit 8 and 9 on those teams? And he did have the pitcher hitting in front of him last year and still had more RBI than Dunn.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    In Dunn's bad year he was on base 36.5% of the time. In Soriano's career year he was on base 35.1% of the time. I think BA isn't that relevant.

    This really isn't an argument about Soriano vs. Dunn anyway. Its more about the market. I don't think in the current market that the 2006 version of Adam Dunn could be signed for less than $13 Million.
    I agree with the not Soriano vs Dunn argument. But for $4 million per year more, I think Soriano is worth it over Dunn.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Willy View Post
    Rotoworld is reporting that he will play centerfield and bat leadoff!!!!!!!!!!

    Now that is the Cubs I know and love.


    I think Soriano will do well in Wrigley. I hate to think of him there and I agree, I hate to think of him batting against the Reds. He will probably kill Reds pitching, and i'm suddenly even gladder that our infield defense has been shored up a bit to give us some insurance against the base-stealing gazelle that is Soriano.

    The move disgusts me all around, with most of that disgust related to the Yankees in some way. I still half-think of Soriano as a Yankee and when I see him in his high royal blue socks it's going to give me indigestion. And the money part too. The Yankees take all of the grief in baseball for the money they throw around, but at least they build a goddurn good team from it. The Cubs just gave an eight-year, $136 million dollar deal to Alfonso Soriano and are likely to escape heavy criticism just because they suck. Where is the logic in that? I'm not crazy about the current no-ceiling market, but I'm certainly not crazy about it when it's not even used well.

    God it must suck to be a Cubs fan. There are good ones out there, and their team just constantly belittles their fandom.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    If we could suddenly get our payroll into the $120 range, think what our team might look like.
    No kidding. That's a lot of catchers.

    Makes all the routine posts.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Who hit 8 and 9 on those teams? And he did have the pitcher hitting in front of him last year and still had more RBI than Dunn.
    You have the internet, do your own legwork.

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    Re: Cubs sign Soriano to 8 year $136M deal

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    You have the internet, do your own legwork.
    Already did...it was kind of a loaded question.

    It is obviously not the same every game, but here are some of the answers from randomly selected games:

    2001: Hit lower in order
    2002: Spencer, R White, Vander Wal, Nick Johnson and Ventura
    2003: N Johnson, Mondesi, Ventura, Sierra, A Boone
    2004: Hit lower in order
    2005: Hit lower in order
    2006: Ramon Ortiz, Brian Schneider, Mike Vento, Alex Escobar


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