This line from the article was heee-larious:
I submit edabbs44's list as evidence to the contrary.Krivsky is too good a judge of talent to end up with Hammond in his bullpen.
"I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful
And it's a marked contrast between the yackiness of Jim Bowden and Dan O'Brien. Bowden liked to talk about nearly everything he was doing. I know I'm probably seen as a Krivsky apologist, but I like this guy's method. He knows we're all chomping at the bit for some action. He also knows it's a long off-season. The same is true of development within the organization. We're all anxious for young players to get here and to get here now (if not sooner!). And yet, he seems to hold value in players progressing in incremental steps. Move up, suceed there, move up again etc. I think in the long run, this team will be the better for it.
It's amazing. I've never seen anything like the vultures out for Krivsky at this point. He inherited one of the worst pitching staffs I've ever seen and had VERY little value to try and trade to make it better.
Do you guys really think he had envisions of Joe Mays or Esteban Yan turning into all stars? No, but they were the only options and there was no reason to risk it.
Would I have went for Mays? No, but it was in his comfort level and it failed. What dare I say did we lose for the future? Nobody expected us to compete last year anyway.
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.
I think that Nats trade freaked out a lot of people. It was a thoroughly awful deal from the get go. It wasn't good in theory, it didn't work in practice and it's put the team two steps back heading into the offseason (where there'd be a burgeoning market for guys like Lopez and Kearns).
IMO that put a taint on Krivsky's other spastic, but harmless attempts to mine some player talent to keep the team in the hunt. Without the Nats trade, guys like Mays and Yan would be largely forgotten. Now they're emblematic of a deep seated problem to some folks.
I still take comfort in the fact that Krivsky did more good in his first two months than DanO did in two years. He's certainly aggressive and active, which is good because he's got a lot to do. I like the Gonzalez signing (though I'm queasy about the third year) because it directly addresses something that desperately needed to be addressed. Gonzalez wouldn't have been my first choice, but I'm not going to fault Krivsky for getting a primo glove man when what he needed was a primo glove man.
I understand it offers no comfort to those who have been (justifiably) worried about the offense, but it's possible Krivsky choked during his first in-season test as a GM and that he'll get back to making the Reds a better-rounded ballclub (and that includes offense) during the offseason.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
yeah you can also ignore all the empirical evidence you want too.
Arroyo was a great acquisition to the reds. I grudgingly admit that. It was a gamble for both teams as Arroyo had exactly one good season and one "meh" season as a starter. WMP had about the same, probably even less experience though. the results were great for the reds, not so much for the sox.
Had Krivsky stopped in April He'd have looked like a genius.
But the list of ABYSMAL pitchers he acquired after that is too much even for you to ignore. And yes I have no doubt Calvin Medlock, David Shafar, Brad Salmon, Tom Shearn and even Tyler Pelland could have done as well as the total DRECK that Krivsky brought in.
Nearly every move he made after April hurt the reds. Schoenweiss and MAYBE Guardado bein the exceptions. He is overly fascinated with aging veterans with questionable skills. And those skills were questionable when they were in their prime! How long was Q on the 25 man roster?
So let's see.
He has no eye WHATSOEVER for finding decent reliefe pitching.
He has no eye WHATSOEVER for finding decent bench players.
And of the 4 pitchers he acquired for the rotation, one was OUTSTANDING, and three flat out sucked.
but hey pithy one liners make me change my mind all the time. Instead of, you know actually looking at the big picture. I have learned more about baseball from you, it's history and trends than any other poster. But you have an air about you that can be rather off-putting at times.
According to you, there was no way the guys in AA or AAA could have performed as well as the total crap that Krivsky brought to the pen, because the Reds talent evaluators didn't think they could. That's the flaw in your argument. Those same talent evaluators helped Krivsky form the opinion that Joe Freaking Mays could salvage his career after KC threw him away. And Franklin and Yan and Kim and Lohse and Majewski....
and now lookee what he signs. Mike Stanton. 39 year old Mike Stanton to a two year deal with an option for a third year. There are at least 3 guys (Medlock, Shearn and Salmon) that I'd rather see get a shot at the bullpen. Especially Medlock as all he ever does is produce. And since he is of diminutive stature, your own research has told me that his window is probably 5-7 years before his effectiveness disappears. I'm not saying Stanton won't perform well. I'm saying when the Reds MOST pressing need is quality SP, signing a Mike Stanton is treading water. Especially if you really believe Bray and Majewski will start performing next year the way you thought they would this year. And I actually think they could. Bray more than Maj. He still overpaid to get them though.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Reds pitchers 2006 in Runs Saved Above Averageyeah you can also ignore all the empirical evidence you want too.
Arroyo's was the 7th best in franchise history.Code:CINCINNATI REDS SEASON 2006 RSAA RSAA 1 Bronson Arroyo 41 2 Aaron Harang 28 T3 David Weathers 11 T3 Todd Coffey 11 5 Scott Schoeneweis 7 T6 Matt Belisle 6 T6 Eddie Guardado 6 T8 Bill Bray 2 T8 Kyle Lohse 2 T8 Jason Johnson 2 T8 Esteban Yan 2 T8 Kent Mercker 2 T13 Rheal Cormier 1 T13 Ryan Franklin 1 T15 Chris Michalak 0 T15 Jason Standridge 0 T15 Justin Germano 0 T15 Sun Woo Kim 0 19 Mike Gosling -1 T20 Rick White -4 T20 Brian Shackelford -4 T22 Mike Burns -6 T22 Eric Milton -6 T22 Gary Majewski -6 T22 Elizardo Ramirez -6
Yep And I already stated he was an outstanding acquisition.
Now offset that with Mays, Kim and Lohse.
And that was just the rotation additions.
And why didn't Mays make your list? or did the program blue screen when you put in his numbers?
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
The question is, what did Krivsky see in Arroyo that made him realize how well he would perform for the Reds? What did he know that Theo Epstein and most other people on the planet didn't know?
And why didn't that special wisdom help Krivsky recognize the difference between Arroyo and the likes of Mays, Majewski, et al?
"I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful
What is that chart telling us? That WK made a great acquisition with Arroyo and that's it? It takes more than one good move to get my buy in.
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