Just wait for Dunn. I have no faith he will be with the Reds in 07. I think Kriv wants the Cincinnati Twins. He is going to try to build a good defense and pitching staff and have offense last. I am worried about that.Originally Posted by Ltlabner
Just wait for Dunn. I have no faith he will be with the Reds in 07. I think Kriv wants the Cincinnati Twins. He is going to try to build a good defense and pitching staff and have offense last. I am worried about that.
Not really, but it's a good starting point. Do we ignore the trade? Pretned it didn't happen? If we really look at the record, Krivsky has obtained a good starting pitcher, second baseman (who's really a shortstop), offensive catcher, and maybe a short-time closer. Not bad. Trouble was Ross had an abnormal offensive year which kept him in the lineup--he didn't know that (I would guess--I'm sure someone will jump on that). Same with Phillips--he was obtained because of his defense and his cheapness.
And I've said all along, he can redeem him self from that, if you really consider he needs to be redeemed, with some good moves. I don't consider AG as a good move, but maybe I'm washed up on that too.
It really hasn't been long enough to judge WK, but Ithought I saw a pattern. And I have a problem moving this team from an offensive one to a defensive one without punch in GAB where you know the other teams are going to score bunches of runs (unless we get a No 1 and No. 2 starter, new bullpen and a closer).
But that's just me.
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No you don't ignore the trade, but it isn't the sum total of his moves. You adressed some of his other moves nicely, but when the chorus is always "the trade" it does make you wonder. Much like when people harp on Dunn's September are reminded that it's the whole season is the measure, Kriv should be evalutated in the same manner.
You are right, I don't mind a defence and pitching team, so long as we get both parts of that equation. If that is truely what Kriv is going after it's going to be hard to do quickly because of all the holes on the pitching staff, bad contracts, etc.
I'll add that low-error, high-range shortstops aren't as common as many might think.
I'm fine with Gonzalez (because as Johnny F. says, it doesn't eat up a trading chip), but if his acquisition is an offseason centerpiece then this team is screwed.
They've got at bottom 5 or 6 more-pressing priorities.
But if they sign Gonzalez, does that mean we fans then have to listen to complaining by the FO about the cost of acquiring pitching?
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First of all, lets get the good out of the way.
I like Seabass, and I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Reds sign him. He and BP could make a GREAT defensive infield, and he could help EE out.
However, that is too much money.
I concour.
Have you seen the market? EVERYBODY is going to cost too much money. It's insane.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of signing him. Seriously, who knows what GABP will do to his offensive numbers.
Look at what it did to Aurilia.
In 02 he posted a .718 OPS.
In 03 a .735.
In 04 with SF .735
With Seattle .715
Then his two years with the Reds he posted a .782 and .867 OPS.
Gonzalez isn't a slap hitter. He has pop in his bat, so getting him to GABP should inflate his offensive numbers, the question is how much. His defense is great, no arguing that.
Yeah that's my main worry.
The goal of the offseason is to find a decent starter to go with Harang and Arroyo. Without that, I don't think we have a prayer.
The Gonzalez move would be fine assuming it's not "the" move.
Except Fenway Park is one of the best BA/OB parks on the planet and Gonzalez came off of that with a .255/.299 effort. What you could expect from Gonzalez with the Reds is probably a ton of outs and the occasional big hit.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
If you want to look at small market teams that have had their fair share of success, start with the Minnesota Twins.
Pitching and defense wins. And every small market team that has won did it with pitching and defense.
Gonzalez has had 179 AB's in Fenway last year. He's played in Florida (a pitchers park) his whole career. It's not impossible that he could get an Aurilia/Randa boost moving to Cincy, as he's a similiar type hitter (occasional power) as those 2.
Ignore offense at your peril.
On a side note, though, I don't think Wayne Krivsky's shown any kind of ability to emulate the Ryan-constructed Twins in Cincinnati so far. Krivsky has virtually no eye for pitching, as the lion's share of his trades for pitching have been total disasters and his draft of pitchers was one of the worst in recent memory.
Strangely, what Krivsky's shown he CAN do is find offense.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
I think you have to fix the defense before you can bring a pitcher, and hopefully a groundball inducing pitcher, onto the team. Plus, middle infield defense will be important if there is any hope of attracting a free agent pitcher to Cincinnati.
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