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    Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    What is up with the Cubs this offseason? How much more money will they throw at the team to buy a WS win? Are the Ramirez and Soriano deals the beginning of more insane deals or are they tapped out? After reading articles like http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...e=MLBHeadlines, I can't help but wonder what's next?! At this point, if the Reds don't make it to the '07 WS, I'll be happy if ANY team other than the Cubs make it.

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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    The Cubs still have a very long way to go before they can be considered WS contenders.

    Plus it's the Cubs. At least one of Soriano and Ramirez will get a terminal illness by midseason.

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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    How many World Series have the Yankees actually bought? They keep trying, but how many times has the purchased product malfunctioned at a bad time?
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    How many World Series have the Yankees actually bought? They keep trying, but how many times has the purchased product malfunctioned at a bad time?
    You have a good point, but keep in mind how often the Yanks make the playoffs. If the Cubs buy up all the top free agents (why not add another $100M to their payroll?!), it won't take much for Sweet Lou to be successful in his first season with the Cubbies

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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    How many World Series have the Yankees actually bought?
    I don't know, lets ask Arnold Johnson.

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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    the yanks seem to load lineup with allstars like jeter, a-rod,sheff,giambi...etc but have only "decent" pitching.then in the playoffs face lesser offenses but above avg starters like over the years:colon/lackey....zito,hudson....schilling,pedro etc
    you know the riddle:
    what stops good hitting and wins championship? hint=one word

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac View Post
    the yanks seem to load lineup with allstars like jeter, a-rod,sheff,giambi...etc but have only "decent" pitching.then in the playoffs face lesser offenses but above avg starters like over the years:colon/lackey....zito,hudson....schilling,pedro etc
    you know the riddle:
    what stops good hitting and wins championship? hint=one word

    Bingo! sadly the Yankee's have not figured out that the best pitching is usually not for sale until its tires are worn or comes with a mammoth price tag. The Yankee's should spend more $$$ on development and patience. over the years patience has never been the big "stein" MO though.
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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    Much like the Yankees, the Cubs have spent a lot - on hitting.
    Their pitching, meanwhile, consists of Zambrano, a couple of guys whose arms could fall off, and a collection of some other guys.

    And let us not forget - this is the Cubs we are talking about. They will find some way to blow it.

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    Yes, exactly. The Cubs' pitching isn't even close to being contending material. If Hill is their #2 again, they will need more than Soriano to make up the run differential.

    Plus they lost Pierre. It will be hard to replace his $9MM of production.

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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    If there's no rule against spending, why should a team with money not try to "buy" a World Series?

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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    If there's no rule against spending, why should a team with money not try to "buy" a World Series?
    It's called the 1997 Florida Marlins and the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks.

    The short-term euphoria can cause some long-term damage.
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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
    It's called the 1997 Florida Marlins and the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks.

    The short-term euphoria can cause some long-term damage.
    The Cubs haven't been so successful. I think if they won the WS this year, it wouldn't matter how much they spent.

    The Marlins have won 2 World Series in the last 10 years.

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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...b6b04416751e99

    In 1981, the Tribune Co. purchased the Cubs for $21 million dollars, or approximately $94 million in today's dollars (accounting for inflation). Forbes valuates MLB clubs every April, and by their calculations, the “Loveable Losers” were valued at $448 million—a 12% increase in value from the year prior—ranking them the fifth most valuable club in all of MLB at the beginning of the 2006 season, behind only the Dodgers, Mets, Red Sox, and Yankees. In recent history, the Cubs have been a climbing to the top of the industry finanancially.

    Yet, during the period of Tribune ownership, the Cubs have amassed a weak .476 winning percentage, having only won the Division three times, finished second once, third three times, with a heavy dose of fourth-, fifth- and sixth-place gutterballs to round out the 25-year stretch. Yet, as I mentioned at the beginning of this article, the Cubs fly in the face conventional wisdom, because despite the losing, the Cubs continue to be a popular draw

    While the team was posting a .476 winning percentage over the entirety of Tribune ownership, Wrigley has been at 73 percent of capacity, and that's getting better of late. For the past decade, they have averaged 2,769,503 fans, or 87 percent of capacity, while posting a .473 winning percentage. Since 2000 they have averaged 2,945,438 fans annually, or a stunning 93% of capacity while holding a .478 winning percentage. Since 2004, the Cubs have drawn over three million fans per season, running at 100.61%, 98.38% and 93.77% of capacity. Last year's percentage of capacity was especially impressive, as the seating capacity of Wrigley was bumped up to 41,118 and the club posted the aforementioned train wreck of a season.

    Valuing the Cubs Against Recent Sales

    While Forbes values the Cubs at $448 million, the recent sale of the Washington Nationals and the pending sale of the Atlanta Braves will most assuredly push the value of the Cubs higher. The Nationals recently sold for $450 million, and by all indications, the Braves will be sold by Time Warner to Liberty Media for approximately $600 million. Despite the losing, the Cubs are a solid investment for two primary reasons: Wrigley Field and superstation WGN (if acquired in conjunction with the club). The Cubs have incredible resilience compared to other franchises in the sense that they are almost exclusively unaffected by continually losing. They have incredible fan loyalty nationwide, and are ranked behind only the Yankees, Red Sox and Braves in brand recognition. In part, this is the benefit of cultivating a nationwide fan base through WGN’s longevity as a superstation. Given these factors, and in anticipation of continued revenue growth, the Cubs could fetch $600-$650 million as a stand-alone sale.

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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    Even a very powerful team has the odds against it for winning the WS with the 8 team playoff format.

    Too much randomness...(and that's a good thing, IMO).
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    Re: Cubs To Follow In Yankees Footsteps And Buy WS

    Atleast the cubs kicked the crap out of us last year with a bad team, so it can't get much worse no matter who they get.


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