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    with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    with some of the contracts that were given out last week(mathews,piere) how are the reds going to get decent talent in here? i know we got gonzales but it wasn't like all the other teams were knocking down his door. at the rate things are going we may never see a top free agent sign in cincinnati again.
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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Quote Originally Posted by toledodan View Post
    with some of the contracts that were given out last week(mathews,piere) how are the reds going to get decent talent in here? i know we got gonzales but it wasn't like all the other teams were knocking down his door. at the rate things are going we may never see a top free agent sign in cincinnati again.
    When has one ever?

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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

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    When has one ever?
    Exactly why WK shouldn't be blowing Bob's stash on second rate guys and building for the future.

    If they cannot compete in this market...punt and stock the system. See you next year.

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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    When has one ever?


    i thought we signed greg vaughn as a FA. other than that i don't really know.
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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Exactly why WK shouldn't be blowing Bob's stash on second rate guys and building for the future.

    If they cannot compete in this market...punt and stock the system. See you next year.

    thats the problem though. it always next year for this club. we were promised a winning product when we built GABP. i know we have some nice talent coming up with bailey, votto and bruce but that won't do it by itself. as much as i hate to admit it detroit did it the right way. they stocked up on some young talent then overpaid to get the right free agents(pudge,rogers,jones) to put them over.
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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Quote Originally Posted by toledodan View Post
    i thought we signed greg vaughn as a FA. other than that i don't really know.
    Didn't we trade Bret Boone and Reggie Sanders for him?
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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Quote Originally Posted by toledodan View Post
    i thought we signed greg vaughn as a FA. other than that i don't really know.
    Reds got him in a deal with SD for Reggie Sanders among others.

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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    The Reds picked up Vaughn in a trade from San Diego, along with Mark Sweeney for Reggie Sanders and Damian Jackson, I believe.

    (okay, everybody answer at once, here.)

    Dave Parker was a Free Agent, iirc. There may have been other big names (and no, Eric Milton doesn't count), but my brain's not working right now.

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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Quote Originally Posted by toledodan View Post
    thats the problem though. it always next year for this club. we were promised a winning product when we built GABP. i know we have some nice talent coming up with bailey, votto and bruce but that won't do it by itself. as much as i hate to admit it detroit did it the right way. they stocked up on some young talent then overpaid to get the right free agents(pudge,rogers,jones) to put them over.
    This is why the Reds need to acquire some guys who can help this year and still be around in a couple years when they may have a group that's ready. Need to use money to keep Harang, Arroyo and Dunn as well. Adding a big $ pitcher now and letting Harang walk because the money is gone would be a mistake IMO. That is why I prefer a trade for more of an up and comer than big bucks for the marginal starters on the board this year.

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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

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    The Reds picked up Vaughn in a trade from San Diego, along with Mark Sweeney for Reggie Sanders and Damian Jackson, I believe.

    (okay, everybody answer at once, here.)

    Dave Parker was a Free Agent, iirc. There may have been other big names (and no, Eric Milton doesn't count), but my brain's not working right now.
    Dave Parker doesn't count either IMO. He was coming off three drug filled below average years in a row and turned it back around in Cincy. His market was down and he had a hometown connection. Not the same as going out and getting a big fish IMO.

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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    The reason all this cash is being spent is because ALL the teams have more money. What we're seeing isn't a separation of available cash for players by larger market teams, but an overall market adjustment. Where the Reds rank comparatively shouldn't be any different now than where it has been the last few years. And what we're learning is that when some organizations get a little extra money in their pocket, they can't wait to spend it. It's like when my daighter earns an extra $10 and goes and spend it on the first Bratz doll she sees at Target.

    this organization shouldn't have any problem competing with organizations who are spending $55MM on the likes of Gary Matthews and $45 on Juan Pierre. Heck, I wish those were the teams in the Reds division.
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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Every time I read that Matthews number, I'm overwhelmed by congnitive dissonance to the point that the room begins to spin counter-clockwise (it usually spins clockwise).

    Just imagine what the numbers would be like if this was a particularly good free agent market.

    I keep thinking that, if I'm going to get into the market, I'd rather pay Schmidt 13 million than pay Lilly 10 million. He'll end up on the coast, though.

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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Quote Originally Posted by tixe View Post
    Just imagine what the numbers would be like if this was a particularly good free agent market.
    I think it would be about the same. Teams have money and they're going to spend it on whoever's available - supply and demand.
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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    I think it would be about the same. Teams have money and they're going to spend it on whoever's available - supply and demand.
    That's right. It's certainly possible that even better players will get less relatively speaking next year. In the end, people spend what they have.

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    Re: with all the big money being thrown out how are the reds going to compete?

    Luckily we play against other players, and not dollar bills. Unless a few select teams are concentrating talent, or if we're now less able to participate in FA than we were previously, the upswing in the market doesn't say much for our competitiveness.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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