Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 114

Thread: All of the money is gone?

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    441

    All of the money is gone?

    http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...437/1071/SPT04

    Reds insider
    Quick offseason start, but money matters
    BY JOHN FAY | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER
    The week that began so loudly for the Reds ended quietly.

    After signing free-agent shortstop Alex Gonzalez and reliever Mike Stanton and trading Jason LaRue on Tuesday, the Reds stayed off the transaction wire the rest of the week.

    Wayne Krivsky said after the flurry of activity Tuesday that he was far from finished.


    But the guess here is that the Reds aren't going to do a lot more as far as free agents are concerned. The club is keeping its player payroll a secret, but I'd be stunned if it reaches $80 million.

    Reds CEO Bob Castellini says the new ownership budgets to break even. I'm no accountant, but if the Reds broke even with a payroll that was $60.9 million for the 25-man roster at the start of the 2006 season, they're not going to go to $80 million in '07 and break even. That's despite the added money from a new television contract and a bump in ticket prices.

    Krivsky wouldn't talk about the payroll or free-agency plans Saturday.

    But for the sake of argument, let's say the Reds' payroll will be $70 million. The club already has $49.225 million committed to 11 players: Ken Griffey Jr. ($12.5 million), Adam Dunn ($10.5 million), Eric Milton ($9 million), Bronson Arroyo ($3.8 million), Gonzalez ($3.5 million), Rheal Cormier ($2.25 million), Stanton ($2 million), Ryan Freel ($1.7 million), Scott Hatteberg ($1.65 million), Javier Valentin ($1.325 million) and Juan Castro ($1 million).

    Add the $3 million the Reds are paying toward the salary of the departed LaRue, and you're at $52.225 million.

    The Reds also have two big-ticket arbitration-eligible players in Aaron Harang and Kyle Lohse. Harang made $2.35 million last year. He led the National League in strikeouts and complete games and tied for the lead in wins.

    The way arbitration works, he could ask for the moon and the Reds would be forced to counter with a slightly smaller celestial body.

    Lohse made $3.95 million last year. He didn't have the kind of year Harang did. But with arbitration, there are no losers. And Lohse is in his third year of arbitration.

    David Ross is also eligible. He made only $500,000 last year, but with the year he had, he'll be up to a million easily.

    So say Harang gets $8 million, Lohse $6 million and Ross $1 million. That puts the Reds at $67 million, and they still have 11 roster spots to fill.

    The rest of the roster will be filled with guys making $400,000 or less, but they're probably not going to push the payroll north of $70 million.

    Krivsky guards what he's doing as if it's a state secret. But he did say the Reds probably will add a right-handed bat.

    Hatteberg rarely started at first base against left-handers last season. Someone like Eduardo Perez, who made $1.75 million, would be a fit. Shea Hillenbrand would make sense as well. The fact that he plays third base also makes him very attractive, but he made $5.8 million last season.

    Craig Wilson is also out there. He could be cheaper after he struggled in the second half.

    As I mentioned above, I'd be stunned if the Reds went to an $80 million payroll. But Castellini is so competitive that after watching the Houston Astros sign Carlos Lee for $100 million over six years and the Chicago Cubs sign Alfonzo Soriano for $136 million over eight years, he might decide to do something drastic.

    TOP 10 LIST: Baseball Prospectus recently came out with its list of top 10 Reds prospects:

    Excellent prospects:

    1. Homer Bailey, RH

    2. Jay Bruce, RF

    Very good prospects:

    3. Joey Votto, 1B

    Good prospects:

    4. Drew Stubbs, CF

    5. Johnny Cueto, RHP

    6. Travis Wood, LHP

    7. Sean Watson, LHP

    Average prospects:

    8. Milton Loo, SS/3B

    9. Chris Valaika, SS

    10. Paul Janish, SS

    There are no surprises on the list. But the good news for Reds fans is how highly Bailey and Bruce are regarded.

    "While (Edwin) Encarnacion is one of the most interesting young talents around, Bailey and Bruce are both elite prospects with impact potential, giving the Reds arguably the top single-pitching/single-hitting prospect combination in the game," the Prospectus said.

    You can find the analysis at baseballprospectus.com

    Wow that didn't take long. I would say this should end all of the Zito talk.
    $8 Million for Harrang sounds high, and so does $6 Million for Loshe.
    Either way there is not much money left.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Rally Onion! Chip R's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    34,347

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Here's an idea: Don't offer Lohse arbitration and go after someone good.
    The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

  4. #3
    Public Enemy #1 Tom Servo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    7,241

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Here's an idea: Don't offer Lohse arbitration and go after someone good.
    Agreed, it's several million dollars that could be put towards get a legit starter.

  5. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Posts
    13,253

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Here's an idea: Don't offer Lohse arbitration and go after someone good.

    Agree fully.

  6. #5
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    42,326

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Here's an idea: Don't offer Lohse arbitration and go after someone good.
    Here's another... take each John Fay for his word... he's not an accountant.

  7. #6
    Man Pills
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Location
    Philadelphia
    Posts
    24,896

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    If the money is "gone" I vow never to go to another Reds' game until new ownership assume control of the club.

  8. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    1,870

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    WOW all this dome and gloom and we haven't even hit the winter meetings yet. Maybe I am wrong but don't most of the action start after the meetings, when arb. is offered to players, the 40 man rosters are set for the rule 5 draft, and most of the trades are made or at least laid out.

  9. #8
    Rally Onion! Chip R's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    34,347

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Here's another... take each John Fay for his word... he's not an accountant.

    True, but he may be a messenger for the organization. They don't want to come out and say they are not going to spend money on any free agents but they have John Fay say it for them.
    The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

  10. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Williamsport, PA
    Posts
    12,362

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Last I read was Krivsky saying he was far from being finished. I think we'll see some action at the Winter Meetings despite what Fay might write.
    If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.

  11. #10
    Man Pills
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Location
    Philadelphia
    Posts
    24,896

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    So why did the club think it necessary to burn $3 million on Larue?

  12. #11
    Bada Bing cincy09's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Zanesvegas, OH
    Posts
    1,484

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Ownership can't have it both ways. They promise so much, and if this article is correct, it will have been all lies.
    2006 Redszone Prospect Draft - Johnny Cueto
    2007 Redszone Prospect Draft - Pedro Viola, Alexis Oliveras
    2007 Redszone Mock Draft - 1st (27) Michael Burgess, Supp. (60) Wes Roemer, 2nd (92) Barry Enright, 3rd (122) Jonathan Bachanov
    2009 Redszone Mock Draft - 1st (9) Shelby Miller, 2nd (58) Marc Krauss, 3rd (89) Daniel Fields

  13. #12
    Member icehole3's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Posts
    3,109

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    I agree and anyone thinking we wont offer Lohse who's a former Twin, needs to put down the crack pipe.

  14. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    441

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Harrang from $2.35 to $8 Million? That seems like a pretty big jump. I think we will see the Reds sign Harrang to a 4 year deal this offseason. Maybe for about $34 Million.

  15. #14
    Member Reds4Life's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    3,928

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Why is it such a national secret what the payroll is going to be? Just release the info, other teams do it all the time. By them hiding the figure it makes me think all the talk of bumping the payroll was just lip service.
    Pessimists are well informed optimists

  16. #15
    Man Pills
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Location
    Philadelphia
    Posts
    24,896

    Re: All of the money is gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds4Life View Post
    Why is it such a national secret what the payroll is going to be? Just release the info, other teams do it all the time. By them hiding the figure it makes me think all the talk of bumping the payroll was just lip service.
    I know. It's idiotic these "games" they think they're playing.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25