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    There's got to be a trade

    I just don't believe Krivsky will stand pat with Gonzo, Stanton and the backup catcher. There has to be more happening.

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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I just don't believe Krivsky will stand pat with Gonzo, Stanton and the backup catcher. There has to be more happening.
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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    I can't decide where I sit on Krivsky right now. I don't like piling on, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but all I know is it feels like there isn't a plan yet.

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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    I can't decide where I sit on Krivsky right now. I don't like piling on, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but all I know is it feels like there isn't a plan yet.
    I tend to be on the same side as you. Last year he had so many positives minus the Kearns/Lopez trade.. who knows though we did get the Nationals 5, 6, and 7th best prospects at the time... But this year its kind of hard to see the path this team is headed in. This team can't have 3 catchers again.. can it? This team can't have a closer by committee.. can it? This team can't rely on Arroyo and Harang again.. can they? This team has yet to upgrade the offense which has struggled since the loss of Kearns and Lopez... A lot of question marks still remain.

    Personally I still think if you spend the money to get a #3 pitcher and sign Trot Nixon and C. Wilson this team can at least finish over .500 and sad but true that is a step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    I tend to be on the same side as you. Last year he had so many positives minus the Kearns/Lopez trade.. who knows though we did get the Nationals 5, 6, and 7th best prospects at the time... But this year its kind of hard to see the path this team is headed in. This team can't have 3 catchers again.. can it? This team can't have a closer by committee.. can it? This team can't rely on Arroyo and Harang again.. can they? This team has yet to upgrade the offense which has struggled since the loss of Kearns and Lopez... A lot of question marks still remain.

    Personally I still think if you spend the money to get a #3 pitcher and sign Trot Nixon and C. Wilson this team can at least finish over .500 and sad but true that is a step in the right direction.
    Even what you noted was a negative, in fact, had some upside to it. When the trade happened, WK stated he might have overpaid, but I think the book is still out on whether that is ultimately a negative or a positive (and I acknowledge it may well end up a neg). The Majewski fiasco aside, I think he and Bray could end up being decent pitchers for us, so we'll have to see there.

    But you ask numerous questions and not rhetorically, I think. I've gone back and looked at WK's statement after signing Chad Moeller. Yes, he may well be considering a three catcher scenario, although some of have noted that Valentin may be relegated to the being primarily a pinch hitting. Contrary to what folks keep saying, carrying three catchers is neither unheard of nor is it necessarily rare. Just take a peak at Reds rosters down through the year and you'll see teams replete with more than two catchers.

    Why can't we relay on Harrang and Arroyo next year. While I don't think you're inferring this, don't subscribe to the school of thought that all players deteriorate in their skills. Now, we definitely need a #3 pitcher and I think we can get by with some of the pitchers we currently have in the #4 and #5 hole.

    Bullpen by committee? It's been done and it's been done successfully. We need to remember one bulldog of a closer wasn't always the norm. Heck, the save wasn't even a bona fide statistic until 25-30 years ago. Would it be good to have an actual closer? Most likely, yes, but we can manage without.

    Krivsky has repeatedly stated he's nowhere near being done. Next week begins the Winter Meetings, let's see what happens there.

    I think this team, even ultimately improved, has its work cut out for it. The Astros and the Cubbies have improved considerably and we know the Redbirds won't sit still. The Brewers proved they can be in a race too and I won't dismiss the Pirates as permanently anchored in the basement. The truth is win are in what could ostensibly be the best division in baseball and we need to improve. I think the Front Office shares that concern with the fan base around here.

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    Gotta wonder if the Arbitration deadline is holding WK back. I am guessing that Richie and Weathers are offered Arb. If so, the Reds need to be in the right spot in case they accept.

    The rumor has Aurilia signing a deal for $3 Million per year with SF after Arb day passes. I have to believe that he would get more than $3 Million in Arb after last year and what has happened with the market. The Reds just may see him accept and if so he would probably end-up the RH 1B as well as a back-up at 2B and 3B. I wonder if he could play OF? WK may be waiting to see what happens before doing something for the RH/Power bat we are looking for.

    IMO the Reds would be better off if Aurilia turns them down, the Reds get draft picks and sign a Craig Wilson for the job as RH Bat with power. (And it would be even better if Mr. Wilson becomes the full-time 1B with Hat on the bench. That would also be the case with Aurilia if he returns IMO.)

    Weathers is a similar situation but to a lesser degree. I personally see no upside in his return. He was ok last year but largely due to a very good BABIP more than great pitching IMO (see his walk rate and his HR rate). If he is back, it adds another pitcher whose proper role is the 6th or 7th inning to a bullpen already overloaded with them. Not sure what that would do to any attempt to improve the pen. It would probably end it. It could lead to a trade from the glut of similarly suited relievers on the roster right now. I'd prefer no Weathers, some picks and we move on from here.

    The Reds need to be careful right now. They could get some picks by offering arb to some guys, but they need to be prepared for these guys to accept. If they do, the Roster suddenly becomes "full" (with less than optimal fits IMO)and the money will be gone. I suspect that Wk is waiting to see what happens here. It will be interesting to see who is offered arb and who isn't. I'd like to see the Reds get the picks, but I wouldn't chance arb unless I wanted the player. Maybe WK is holding a role open for Aurilia until he sees what happens.

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    What becomes of players who were reinstated from the 60 day DL? I assume that step was taken to set rosters for the Rule V draft and as a way to require clubs to not hide a player on the long term DL to protect them. Once the Rule V draft is completed, can they return those players to the 60 day? If that's the case, we've got 2-3 players who will still be in rehabbing and recovery from injuries, surgeries, etc. that would free up roster space. I honestly don't know how that works. Right now, we've got one open roster spot. Of course, a trade could take care of that too.

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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    I for one would rather have Aurilia as my regular 1st baseman, and haave Hatteberg spell him on occasion. I could then use Aurilia all over the infield if injuries arise, whereas a guy like Wilson could only be used as a 1b/rf. It gives us more flexability, and i would agree with the notion that I grant Aurilia arb., but not Weathers. As of right now I see our bullpen shaping up like this

    6-7 inning guys:Majewski,Belisle,Coffey,Cormier,Claussen
    8th inning(set-up) Bray
    Closer-Stanton

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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    But Krivsky is not the only GM "sitting on his hands".

    Good article from ESPN

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...hil&id=2679907

    The gnashing of teeth had barely stopped over Adam Eaton's new contract and the Yankees committing $26 million for the rights to another bottom-of-the-rotation starter, Japanese left-hander Kei Igawa.

    Here comes another round of major league executives screaming that timeless question, "Are those guys on crack?"

    But there's a reason so many marginal pitchers are commanding such respect. It's simple supply and demand.

    Even after the Eaton and Igawa moves, and assuming Daisuke Matsuzaka and Igawa sign with the Red Sox and Yankees, respectively, there are still at least 30 holes remaining in big league rotations. Nine teams need more than one reasonably reliable starter, with the Texas Rangers and Washington Nationals somehow short three and four, respectively.

    There are perhaps 11 attractive free-agent starters on the market, and that list includes three guys who are essentially unavailable to at least 25 teams (Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte and Tom Glavine). No wonder the White Sox and Rockies wait patiently as the price for starters available in trades, such as Freddy Garcia, Javier Vazquez and Jason Jennings, soars.

    Dontrelle Willis? Don't even ask.

    For executives with teams finding themselves needing the most -- including the already very active Cubs, who still don't know whom they'll pitch after Carlos Zambrano and Rich Hill -- it's going to be a restless December.

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    And here is another interesting point....

    How much are various agents (like Boras) involved in this current "stalemate", lack of pitcher signings?

    Are they purposely paying most of their attention on getting fat contracts for players like Daisuke Matsuzaka and Igawa first, KNOWING that that will help inflate even more the contracts for these other FA pitchers, and set the standard?
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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I've gone back and looked at WK's statement after signing Chad Moeller. Yes, he may well be considering a three catcher scenario, although some of have noted that Valentin may be relegated to the being primarily a pinch hitting.
    If so, it bears repeating that his three-year split as a pinch hitter reveals .193/.264/.337/.601 in 83 ABs. No doubles. No triples.
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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    If so, it bears repeating that his three-year split as a pinch hitter reveals .193/.264/.337/.601 in 83 ABs. No doubles. No triples.
    I don't know how to go and pull his pinch hitting stats, so I can't refute this or even comment on it. I'm just saying that might be WK's intentions.

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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    Yes, he may well be considering a three catcher scenario, although some of have noted that Valentin may be relegated to the being primarily a pinch hitting.
    I'd rather see Hatteberg become the primary pinch-hitter.

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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    You'd rather have Valentin starting at 1B over Hatteberg?

    Not me.

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    Re: There's got to be a trade

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSelig View Post
    You'd rather have Valentin starting at 1B over Hatteberg?

    Not me.
    Who said anything about Valentin starting at 1B? I'd like to see an upgrade at 1B, moving Hat to a backup/pinch-hitting role.


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