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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

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    This is the part that raised red flags for me, and may come back to haunt...


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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsnake View Post
    The potential this kid had or maybe still has in worth the risk. I really like this move! Who knows, maybe the Reds got there "Johan Santana Rule 5 player" like the Twins got.
    That was Wayne Krivsky who orchestrated the Johan Santana selection with the Twins. Wayne scouted him and was the guiding hand in choosing him. Wayne also insisted Terry Ryan get a kid named Francisco Liriano in a trade with the Giants for A.J. Pierzynski.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark View Post
    That was Wayne Krivsky who orchestrated the Johan Santana selection with the Twins. Wayne scouted him and was the guiding hand in choosing him. Wayne also insisted Terry Ryan get a kid named Francisco Liriano in a trade with the Giants for A.J. Pierzynski.
    What? But he's an idiot! Don't you pay attention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark View Post
    That was Wayne Krivsky who orchestrated the Johan Santana selection with the Twins. Wayne scouted him and was the guiding hand in choosing him. Wayne also insisted Terry Ryan get a kid named Francisco Liriano in a trade with the Giants for A.J. Pierzynski.
    And this is the same guy who went 1 for 27 in pitching acquisitions in 2006.

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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark View Post
    The Reds will end up keeping him. He may be offered back but more than likely he will be refused IMO. I have no doubt that the Rays feel a change of scenery will further his efforts. His comeback from addiction is nothing short of miraculous. Good luck Josh.
    So the Rays are going to let someone have the guy for free *after* he's begun his comeback? What sense does that make for a team that already paid the guy a $3.96MM bonus after it wouldn't cost much additional cash to keep him around?

    I never got the impression that being in the Tampa Bay organization was what Hamilton's problem was. If he plays in the Reds' system he'll still be in the general geographic region of his hometown/residence (Sarasota, Chattanooga, etc.).
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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    He has a chance the be the next Joe Gaines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc. Scott View Post
    So the Rays are going to let someone have the guy for free *after* he's begun his comeback? What sense does that make for a team that already paid the guy a $3.96MM bonus after it wouldn't cost much additional cash to keep him around?

    I never got the impression that being in the Tampa Bay organization was what Hamilton's problem was. If he plays in the Reds' system he'll still be in the general geographic region of his hometown/residence (Sarasota, Chattanooga, etc.).
    Yeah basically. Sounds silly but I personally think that is what they will do. Is he going to play ahead of the Dynamic Trio? No.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    And this is the same guy who went 1 for 27 in pitching acquisitions in 2006.
    Without even going over it in a detailed way I see 4: Arroyo, Schoenweis, Guardado, Lohse.
    "Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself."--Winston Churchill

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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark View Post
    Yeah basically. Sounds silly but I personally think that is what they will do. Is he going to play ahead of the Dynamic Trio? No.
    Well, with that history of success, the Rays don't really have to worry about things coming back to haunt them, do they?

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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    I like the move a lot. It's the kind of risk I like to see teams (especially the Reds) take.

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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse View Post
    Without even going over it in a detailed way I see 4: Arroyo, Schoenweis, Guardado, Lohse.
    Lohse? No way.

    Guardado? The guy was basically on a list for a ligament donor when he was traded for. That was a losing acquisition all around.

    IMO, the jury is still out on Schoeneweis. He threw something like 14 innings last year, though they were effective. I can't say that he was a difference maker. Extremely small sample size.

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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    Under the Rule 5 provisions, Hamilton must stay on Cincinnati's 25-man Major League roster for the entire season, or be offered back to Tampa Bay for $25,000.


    He might be taking a roster spot that may deserve to go to a pitcher or a player that deserves it coming out of spring training. I never really liked the rule 5 draft!!!

    If he hits .200 for the months of April and May would the Reds continue to keep him?

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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Lohse? No way.

    Guardado? The guy was basically on a list for a ligament donor when he was traded for. That was a losing acquisition all around.

    IMO, the jury is still out on Schoeneweis. He threw something like 14 innings last year, though they were effective. I can't say that he was a difference maker. Extremely small sample size.
    Well he wasn't brought in to be a difference maker. He was brought in to get the occasional out for a month. He did that. That was awin for Krivsky. He served his purpose.

    You can't judge every pick-up and expect difference making potential. Most of his pick-ups last year were quite small (and the only big one that didn't work out was Bray and Majewski, compared to what we gave up).

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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by DunnFan44 View Post
    If he hits .200 for the months of April and May would the Reds continue to keep him?
    I'm guessing they would.

    Krivsky likely realizes that Hamilton will have zero value to the Reds this season. So if breaks camp with, I'm guessing they will stick with him as long as they have to. Using him at the beginning would indicate to me that they are willing to go with basically a 24 man roster for the season. He's obviously not ready to be a decent major league player.

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    Re: Josh Hamilton a Red

    If he hits .200 for the months of April and May would the Reds continue to keep him?
    With the way the Reds hit in September that just might boost him into the starting lineup. =)


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