I was in the ORG once, best 6 months of my life.
As a Bucs fan, I've got nothing but love for Dungy and what he did for the franchise. He took the good draft foundation that Sam Wyche had laid and brought a sense of purpose to the team. He completely changed the culture of a franchise that was used to being losers, the butts of jokes, and less popular in town than whatever team from up north was visiting.
But, it doesn't change the fact that he had some large warts on his resume prior to coming to Indy.
For one, he had difficulty developing any sort of consistency on offense. This was due in part to his conservative nature and the similarly conservative nature of the guys he hired to run his offenses (the "Buc Ball" games under offensive coordinator Mike Shula were legendary) and the tough time he and the organization had drafting and developing players to get any sort of passing attack going. They punted two day 1 QB draft choices (Trent Dilfer and Shaun King), two day 1 WR draft choices (Reidel Anthony and Jacquez Green), and a first round offensive lineman (Kenyatta Walker -- who they traded up to get). It wasn't until they brought in Brad Johnson (the epitome of the "have helmet, will travel" journeyman) and paid through the nose for Keyshawn Johnson that the passing offense developed any sort of pulse.
Second, he was consistently out-coached in big games (especially the playoffs). His teams folded like the Sunday Times routinely in the post season -- usually because their offense failed to move the football. The only game where I saw Dungy get the better of an opposing coaching staff was the 1999 NFC Championship game, where Dungy and Kiffin stonewalled Kurt Warner's magic for about 55 minutes and were a rule-changing non-catch away from killing a made for Disney story. The rest of the time was forgettable -- losing a couple times at Philly, losing at Green Bay, etc. A lot of those situations were made worse by the team falling into early season funks and having to rally back for late season victories -- usually costing them a shot at hosting playoff games or homefield advantage.
When he got to Indy, that reputation followed him. Fortunately, he was paired with a great offensive coordinator and great quarterback -- solving two issues that dogged him in Tampa right from the word go. To his credit, he stuck with what was working on that side of the ball and improved everything else.
So, yeah -- I love and respect Tony Dungy and feel that he has earned the accolades and right to be called great. But, I also understand where he was in his career when he left Tampa. He continued to grow, learn and improve himself through the entire process, though.
Last edited by Caveat Emperor; 10-12-2009 at 07:03 PM.
24 Years and Counting...
Dungy should've won 2-3 Super Bowls with those teams he had. How can you be so good in the regular season and then constantly choke. . .yes, I said choke, numerous times in the playoffs. I understand he won 1 Super Bowl and I'm happy for the man, but he should've won AT LEAST 2, possibly 3 Super Bowls.
I guess Tom Brady and the Patriots were just ho-hum average and shouldn't have gotten in the way. I sure wish the world really was that balck and white.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
And for some reason, the Chargers are Peyton's kryptonite, but last year's team wasn't very good and was probably an 8-8 team without a few lucky bounces.
Last edited by gilpdawg; 10-14-2009 at 07:51 AM.
And believe me, as a Colts fan, we've had some HISTORICALLY bad defenses. Not "good enough for that offense." Even the Greatest Show on Turf could get a stop when they needed to. The Colts could not for a lot of years. The 2002 Colts had the worst defense I've ever seen in the NFL. Worse than any Bengals Defense. They only got to 6-10 by winning the occasional shootout. Even their BEST defensive teams were merely average, and that was for only a year or two.
D looks pretty good (unless they are playing the Wildcat) so far this year. I gotta think we've got as good of a chance of holding the trophy this year as anybody.
Last edited by gilpdawg; 10-14-2009 at 07:58 AM.
Colts looked strong against the horrible Rams. Manning is throwing as well as I've ever seen him. That pass to Clark was pretty incredible.
They've got two more cake games and then the Pats on Sunday night the 15th. The Pats look like they have found their stride and that should be a really good game.
After that they really only have one more really tough game and that's Denver in December.
I think it's nearly impossible for the Colts to lose the South, but I will be disappointed if they are not the top seed in the AFC. 14-2 or 15-1 seem real possibilities. I'd love for the AFC to have to come through Lucas Oil this year.
I can't believe that the Broncos have done this to us again. I just hope somebody knocks the Chargers out of the playoffs before the Colts have to play them.
5 games in a row that they've trailed going into the 4th quarter. It's kept the games exciting, but can they just go out next week and lay a beating on the Titans? That would be nice.
Titans are on fire right now....they may take Indy down for the first time