Turn Off Ads?
Results 1 to 4 of 4

Thread: Some Pitching Answers?

  1. #1
    BobC, get a legit F.O.! Mario-Rijo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Ohio
    Posts
    9,054

    Some Pitching Answers?

    This an article from the Cincy Post on 12/6, I haven't seen it on here anywhere and it has some points of interest as far as what to expect. I'm sure it won't go over too well for those who are expecting us to sign some arms. But from where I stand the article is not too far off. Of course what I would like to have on this team and what I can live with is 2 different things.


    Pitching likely a cut above '06
    Rotation may be Reds' strength

    By C. Trent Rosecrans
    Post staff reporter

    Reds manager Jerry Narron figures he'll have a better pitching staff to work with than he had this time a year ago.

    LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - Consider where Jerry Narron was entering spring training in 2006. As he looked at the start of his first full season as Reds manager, Narron had a possible rotation of Aaron Harang, Brandon Claussen, Eric Milton, Dave Williams and his pick of Michael Gosling and Justin Germano. In the bullpen, he had his pick of the likes of Mike Burns, Chris Hammond and Rick White.

    Perhaps that's why his lack of a closer or fifth starter heading into 2007 didn't seem to faze him as he sat down with reporters at the winter meetings on Tuesday.

    "The big thing, we pitched well enough," Narron said of his team's late-season fade from National League Central leaders to an eventual third-place finish. "Our offense, we just didn't score any runs. When (Ken Griffey Jr.) went out, it was a big blow."

    The numbers back up Narron - the Reds had an ERA of 3.61 in September, but hit .227.

    Barring another headline-grabbing trade by general manager Wayne Krivsky, the Reds have a solid rotation from one through four with Harang (16-11, 3.76), Bronson Arroyo (14-11, 3.29), Milton (8-8, 5.19) and Kyle Lohse (3-5, 4.57).

    "Shoot, you just start with Harang and Arroyo at the top, and you get 235, 230 innings out of both of them, 470 out of both of them, you feel like you have a pretty good chance of winning every night with them," Narron said.

    Milton came back from one of the worst seasons by a starter in major league history to at the very least reach a .500 record. With 14 quality starts, Milton kept the Reds in more games than he did in his horrendous 2005 despite undergoing two surgeries - one on his knee in April and a season-ending elbow surgery in September.

    "I think the biggest thing with Miltie is just being healthy with his legs, and last year when he felt good with his legs, he pitched well," Narron said. "But Miltie is not a sinkerballer, he's not going to get ground balls, so he's got to hit his spots, change speeds, and if he does that like he did at times last year, he can be successful."

    Lohse started 11 games for the Reds after being acquired from the Twins for minor leaguer Travis Ward. He was 3-5 with a 4.50 ERA as a starter, but he allowed one earned run or less in five of those outings.

    As the roster stands now, Matt Belisle (2-0, 3.60), Elizardo Ramirez (4-9, 5.37) and Phil Dumatrait (3-4, 3.62 in Class AAA Louisville) would battle for the fifth starter spot.

    Beyond the rotation, the Reds already have six of seven bullpen slots spoken for with the impending signing of David Weathers to go along with Mike Stanton, Bill Bray, Gary Majewski, Todd Coffey and Rheal Cormier.

    Coffey was the Reds closer for part of last season, but struggled in the role, posting ERAs over 5.00 in June, July and August. Narron said he doesn't see Coffey moving back to the closer role anytime soon.

    "I really like the role he's coming in with guys on base, he's going to throw strikes, he's not going to walk people," Narron said. "I really think he's best suited for coming in with guys on base who are just starting the sixth, seventh, eighth inning, right in there. That's not to say he'll ever be a closer, but right now he's pretty good at that role."

    Bray, 23, may be the Reds' closer of the future and could even get a chance this season.

    "I love Bill Bray's makeup, got a very good arm," Narron said. "Last year was a great learning experience for him."

    Majewski struggled after coming over from the Nationals in the eight-player deal with the Nationals, but after coming back from an August stint on the disabled list with inflammation in his right shoulder he had a 1.59 ERA in eight appearances.

    The only thing lacking in the bullpen is a legitimate, everyday closer. Until then, Narron will use the combination of Stanton and Weathers to finish games.

    "I think everybody would like to have a closer," Narron said. "We'll just match it up and see if somebody can really step up and do it. But until then, we'll just match it up."
    "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."

    --Woody Hayes

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member Jpup's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Southern KY
    Posts
    6,967

    Re: Some Pitching Answers?

    That just shows you how out of touch with reality some folks are. Jerry Narron is not the answer and I don't even know the question.
    "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

  4. #3
    2009: Fail Ltlabner's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    7,441

    Re: Some Pitching Answers?

    "I think everybody would like to have a closer," Narron said. "We'll just match it up and see if somebody can really step up and do it. But until then, we'll just match it up."
    So I guess he didn't notice how things "fell into place" during the Every Day Eddie burst? He just got done talking about how Coffey works better in a particular "role". Wouldn't it make sense to have the rest of the bull pen in defined roles?

    That "match it up" business only works if the person matching them up is slick with managing a bullpen. Let's hope Dickie Pole will be able to guide Narron with some better choices that what were made last year.

    "Shoot, you just start with Harang and Arroyo at the top, and you get 235, 230 innings out of both of them, 470 out of both of them, you feel like you have a pretty good chance of winning every night with them," Narron said.
    Oh joy. Ride those horses Dusty...uh..I mean Jerry.
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

  5. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    337

    Re: Some Pitching Answers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    Oh joy. Ride those horses Dusty...uh..I mean Jerry.
    Arroyo is gone in 2008, so sure, say 230 innings this year and then pencil him in for 275 innings in 2008 unless he signs a long-term deal . . .


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25