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    Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    Are other GMs gun shy to work with Wayne after he cherry picked David Ross, Brandon Phillips, and Cody Ross (nice numbers with Fish after braincramp move by Reds)?

    Yeah, I know, "The Trade", blah, blah, blah... The other GMs know Bowden's a tool, have already chalked it up as a lesson learned by a young GM and moved on. I don't think it materially diminishes other GMs opinion of his talent evaluation or savyy moves.

    Thoughts?

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    Re: Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    I think that in the balance, they see the Arroyo, Ross, and Phillips move as good low-risk high-reward moves which paid off, but largely lucky, whereas they see "the trade" as a very stupid move by a GM who didn't properly judge the talent and health of the players he received.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my sense of it.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalls View Post
    Are other GMs gun shy to work with Wayne after he cherry picked David Ross, Brandon Phillips, and Cody Ross (nice numbers with Fish after braincramp move by Reds)?

    Yeah, I know, "The Trade", blah, blah, blah... The other GMs know Bowden's a tool, have already chalked it up as a lesson learned by a young GM and moved on. I don't think it materially diminishes other GMs opinion of his talent evaluation or savyy moves.

    Thoughts?
    Hey, a brand new excuse for Wayne's inactivity. Yippee.

    To your question: no way in hell.

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    Re: Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalls View Post
    Are other GMs gun shy to work with Wayne after he cherry picked David Ross, Brandon Phillips, and Cody Ross (nice numbers with Fish after braincramp move by Reds)?

    Yeah, I know, "The Trade", blah, blah, blah... The other GMs know Bowden's a tool, have already chalked it up as a lesson learned by a young GM and moved on. I don't think it materially diminishes other GMs opinion of his talent evaluation or savyy moves.

    Thoughts?
    I don't look at this post as an excuse at all. Not everyone on here is a Wayne apologist. We all want answers to the same questions why haven't the Reds made any moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Hey, a brand new excuse for Wayne's inactivity. Yippee.

    To your question: no way in hell.
    There were 4 MLB trades at the meetings and 6 ML trades, the Reds were in on 1 of the ten, looks like they are active when compared to the mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    There were 4 MLB trades at the meetings and 6 ML trades, the Reds were in on 1 of the ten, looks like they are active when compared to the mean.
    Yeah but when you have multiple gaping holes, you might be expected to be a little more active than other teams who are better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Yeah but when you have multiple gaping holes, you might be expected to be a little more active than other teams who are better.
    Yes, the Reds are the only team in baseball that have needs, so they should have traded more... I see your point.

    Takes two to tango.

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    Re: Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Yeah but when you have multiple gaping holes, you might be expected to be a little more active than other teams who are better.


    Ask the Rockies about multiple holes and filling them without maybe's during the season. Jennings wasnt a maybe for them but Hirsh, Willy and Taylor will be.

    As far Krivsky, I think people are waiting till he gets desperate which will happen again. He'll do another stupid trade for middle relief and ration off the last of our offense

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    I'm just hoping Krivsky is a "learn from my mistakes" kind of GM.

    Then I see him sign Mike Stanton 10 years too late.

    Then I see him say he is satisfied with Milton and Lohse.

    Then I see him dismantle an offense in favor of defense without realizing you need both. And yes, the offense is starting to look baaaad.

    So I keep hoping.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    Then I see him say he is satisfied with Milton and Lohse.
    I'm hoping this was just lip service on Wayne's part.

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    Re: Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Yeah but when you have multiple gaping holes, you might be expected to be a little more active than other teams who are better.
    Yet when he is active, the moves get panned.

    Darned if he does, darned if he doesn't.

    Either way, several fans on this board find a way to remain miserable.

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    Re: Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    Quote Originally Posted by UKFlounder View Post
    Yet when he is active, the moves get panned.

    Darned if he does, darned if he doesn't.

    Either way, several fans on this board find a way to remain miserable.
    That's likely because the moves are considered bad ones by those fans. They don't rip him for being active. They rip him for signing and/or acquiring players with questionable skills.

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    Re: Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    That's likely because the moves are considered bad ones by those fans. They don't rip him for being active. They rip him for signing and/or acquiring players with questionable skills.
    Are you saying the Reds should be handing out one of those overpriced contracts?

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    Re: Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    Quote Originally Posted by Handofdeath View Post
    Are you saying the Reds should be handing out one of those overpriced contracts?
    Not necessarily. I'm glad they avoided the likes of Meche and Marquis. I would have liked to seen them make a run at a Zito or Schmidt though. Then again, maybe Wayne did contact those guys and was rejected. Who knows for sure?

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    Re: Krivsky (Other GMs perspective)

    No but atleast start trading. Do something, dont just sit around and watch everyone else get better.


    Astros got Jennings to go with Roy. Cubs got...well, they'll still manage to struggle.

    All we hear is someone else got, someone else got. We seriously should consider a Arroyo deal that would put us ahead like Mulders deal. Why keep Bronson if he doesnt want to stay? Get younger and better for him.

    Explore every option. Not just free-agency. And stop wasting time on Stanton's and Weathers. Go for the Speiers and Delluci's. Thats how you manage money. Deals in free-agency not just signing to sign. However, thats what Wayne has done this offseason.


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