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    Re: Bill Bray

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Steel (IIRC) made an interesting observation about pitchers who are unable to throw their out pitch for a strike. I don't remember all of the intricacies of the discussion, but the gross and scope of it is that it's a bad problem to have if you're a pitcher. And the prognosis isn't usually good.
    Ya...kinda the same point I was making....

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    I do wish he'd shave that Ugly goatee
    I doubt its going anywhere because he has grown to like it. As most have probably heard before Narron is the one that told him to grow it his rookie year.
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    Re: Bill Bray

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Ya...kinda the same point I was making....
    But I was taking it a step further by saying don't count on him suddenly finding that ability to throw it for a strike...hence, the prognosis metaphor.

    In other words, he's not closer material.

    He's 24; if he can't throw it for a strike by now, he's probably always going to have a tough time doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    But I was taking it a step further by saying don't count on him suddenly finding that ability to throw it for a strike...hence, the prognosis metaphor.

    In other words, he's not closer material.

    He's 24; if he can't throw it for a strike by now, he's probably always going to have a tough time doing so.
    24 is pretty young. There is plenty of time, most guys that age are still in the minors working on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willy View Post
    24 is pretty young. There is plenty of time, most guys that age are still in the minors working on it.
    Not necessarily. Most guys are polishing themselves by the age of 24, not learning to throw their bread and butter pitch for a strike. Right now, he's getting by, in the way the Wagner did briefly with his slider, on the pure nastiness of the pitch. It takes more than that initial flash and sizzle.

    Twenty four isn't ancient, and there is some time, but it definitely doesn't bode well for him being anything but a middling middle reliever.

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    Re: Bill Bray

    Quote Originally Posted by Willy View Post
    24 is pretty young. There is plenty of time, most guys that age are still in the minors working on it.
    It's certainly the start of where a lot of guys break through. I don't expect Bray to be a fully cooked bird in 2007, but I think we'll probably have a good handle on whether he's closer material based on what he does next season.

    I actually don't think his slider's the ticket for him. If you can't make hitters swing and miss on your fastball, then you're a dangerous closer (to your own team). My favorite example of why you probably don't want a closer who relies on a slider is the last pitch of the 1993 World Series. Mitch Williams threw a good slider there. It had movement and it was diving out of the strikezone. Didn't matter. It was still moving at slider speed and it was still close enough for Joe Carter to reach it.

    Going down to AAA to fool lesser hitters with a wrinkle pitch doesn't strike me as good closer training. I want to see how his ace fares against major league hitters, at least if the notion is that he's got a big future. If the club thinks he's just a future setup man, then Louisville's fine by me.
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