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    Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    From Rotoworld:

    MLB nullified Tampa Bay's waiver claim of LHP Bobby Livingston and subsequent trade of Livingston to Philadelphia; assigned Livingston to the Reds on a waiver claim.

    Interesting. MLB finally takes offense at some roster shenanigans for the just about the first time in decades, deciding that the Phillies' move to pay the Rays to claim Livingston off waivers was inappropriate. Since that was nullified, the Reds, who also put in a claim, were awarded the soft-tossing left-hander. Livingston was 8-11 with 4.59 ERA, 165 H, 69/36 K/BB in 135 1/3 IP for Triple-A Tacoma last season. He likely has no more than fifth-starter upside, and his performance last year suggests he doesn't have a future in the majors. The Reds will likely put him at Triple-A Louisville.

    From CBS Sports earlier this week:

    The Phillies acquired left-hander Bobby Livingston from Tampa Bay for cash Tuesday. The 24-year-old Livingston made three relief appearances for the Mariners last season, while spending most of the year with Triple-A Tacoma. He was 8-11 with a 4.59 ERA in 23 games, including 22 starts. The Devil Rays claimed Livingston off waivers from Seattle before trading him to the Phillies. "Bobby is an intriguing player that gives (manager) Charlie (Manuel) and his staff another option in spring training," Phillies GM Pat Gillick said. Livingston was originally selected by Seattle in the fourth round of the 2001 draft. Livingston is 55-35 in his minor league career with a 3.46 ERA in 120 games (117 starts).

    The Associated Press weighs in...

    NEW YORK (AP) — Major League Baseball voided a waiver claim by Tampa Bay, ruling Thursday the Devil Rays circumvented rules this week when they took a pitcher and immediately traded him.
    The Devil Rays claimed lefty Bobby Livingston from Seattle on Tuesday, then sent him to Philadelphia for cash. MLB voided the moves, deciding the Devil Rays took Livingston with the intent of trading him.
    Instead, Livingston was assigned from Seattle to the Cincinnati Reds on a waiver claim.
    The 24-year-old Livingston made three relief appearances for the Mariners last season. He spent most of the year at Triple-A Tacoma, going 8-11 with a 4.59 ERA in 23 games.
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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    I feel good knowing that our big move is now out of the way and we can start concentrating on the important stuff...like how many catchers we are going to have on the roster...or whether we can really carry a 15 man pitching staff with 12 of them as relievers...the all star game approach to managing the pitching staff I suppose...Oh, Oh and whether we will have anyone left in the scouting department after Wayne's World finishes his excellent house cleaning...schwing !
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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    I like this move. It is another low risk high reward possability. Several teams must have wanted him in order to try to circumvent the waivers process.

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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    the two saddest pitching teams in baseball are the Phillies and the Reds

    it's good to have company

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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallen5862 View Post
    I like this move. It is another low risk high reward possability. Several teams must have wanted him in order to try to circumvent the waivers process.

    the entire American League passed as well as the worst teams in the NL

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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallen5862 View Post
    I like this move. It is another low risk high reward possability. Several teams must have wanted him in order to try to circumvent the waivers process.
    Well there's not a whole lot of upside here.

    There is a chance that he can help as a cheap bottom of the rotation guy or middle reliever if he can improve on his control. It's certainly low risk, there's nothing to lose.

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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    the two saddest pitching teams in baseball are the Phillies and the Reds
    Check out the Nats roster of arms lately?
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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    How is this different than what we did with Chicago?
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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    I had no idea Chris Michalak had a twin.

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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    Quote Originally Posted by Cooper View Post
    I had no idea Chris Michalak had a twin.
    Oh C'mon, thats an insult to Livingston's everywhere... At least Bobby is on the southside of age 30.. How old is journeyman Michalak?

    Livingston is a soft tosser for sure, but that makes Michalak a puss baller.
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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    Quote Originally Posted by paulrichjr View Post
    How is this different than what we did with Chicago?
    I agree.. The Cubs took Hamilton and traded him right away to to the Reds.. so why is that overlooked??

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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan4445 View Post
    I agree.. The Cubs took Hamilton and traded him right away to to the Reds.. so why is that overlooked??

    Rule 5 pick can be traded, waiver claims can't.

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    Yay?
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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    the two saddest pitching teams in baseball are the Phillies and the Reds

    it's good to have company
    Stupid Ballpark Home Run factors.
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    Re: Reds awarded Tampa Bay pitcher in waiver dispute

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    the two saddest pitching teams in baseball are the Phillies and the Reds

    it's good to have company
    The Reds last year were 7th in the NL in pitching last year, the Phillies 11th. Tied for 5th and 9th after the all star break.

    In ball parks considered poor for pitchers.

    There's lots of team sadder.
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